Road fund ripoff

Iceweasel

Now that sounds good - but I bet that there will something that puts a spoke in that particular wheel.

motorguy

wotme wrote: »

Can I suggest you look up the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance and apologise

And can i suggest you keep a sense of perspective, both on what upsets you in life and what upsets you on the internet?

motorguy

wotme wrote: »

Can I ask the question I really asked at the beginning.

The system is changing so you simply "tax" your car online and you get a refund for the car you sold. As the online facility is available 24/7, surely it should be possible to request a refund because you have sold the car on the last day of a month and the purchaser goes online on the 1st of the month to tax the car again. There isn't a gap in dates so in theory it should be ok, and in reality not many transactions will be very close together anyway. If I sell my car to you, and I don't let you go online to tax it, there will be a delay.

The wording on the gov.uk website states "you will need to get new vehicle tax before you can use the vehicle" . I would guess that it might be permissible to "tax" the car on the 1st of the month, providing it is taxed before you used it on the road.

I will look at the rules with interest when they are published in a couple of months.


By the way, if I have to pay something I will, if I don't have to, I don't. If someone knocked your door and asked for £5, you wouldn't give it them, neither would you shut the door if they gave you a fiver.

This is no different from the current system in that if the seller reclaims the tax, then the buyer has to tax it from the day they use it anyway.

If the few pounds is a big problem for you dont use the car to the start of the month OR if you buy from a dealer, get them to tax it for you as a deal breaker.

Lets be honest here, yes its probably a bit of a fiddle, but if they werent getting that bit extra there, they'd stiff us by increasing the VED rates anyway.

If paying the tax is a big issue for you, buy a car with low VED in the first place - not much point in "saving" £20 only to give them £240.

wotme

Just had an after thought, my idea doesn't work if the transaction is mid-month, doh!!!

motorguy

wotme wrote: »

Can I ask the question I really asked at the beginning.

The system is changing so you simply "tax" your car online and you get a refund for the car you sold. As the online facility is available 24/7, surely it should be possible to request a refund because you have sold the car on the last day of a month and the purchaser goes online on the 1st of the month to tax the car again. There isn't a gap in dates so in theory it should be ok, and in reality not many transactions will be very close together anyway. If I sell my car to you, and I don't let you go online to tax it, there will be a delay.

The wording on the gov.uk website states "you will need to get new vehicle tax before you can use the vehicle" . I would guess that it might be permissible to "tax" the car on the 1st of the month, providing it is taxed before you used it on the road.

I will look at the rules with interest when they are published in a couple of months.

So as we said then - buy the car at the end of a month?

[Deleted User]

To be honest I wouldn't have any problems driving a car home the short distance without tax and then taxing it at home. Also if the car had tax when you bought it, yes it technically won't have any tax once the car is sold to you, but it will still show as taxed on ANPR until the seller sends the V5 off to the DVLA so unlikely to get stopped for that.

Also the new system will allow tax purchase 24/7 online and phone so no need to wait for V5 to be put in your name before taxing online like currently, or waiting for PO to open to use the new keeper slip.

londonTiger

Deleted_User wrote: »

To be honest I wouldn't have any problems driving a car home the short distance without tax and then taxing it at home. Also if the car had tax when you bought it, yes it technically won't have any tax once the car is sold to you, but it will still show as taxed on ANPR until the seller sends the V5 off to the DVLA so unlikely to get stopped for that.

Also the new system will allow tax purchase 24/7 online and phone so no need to wait for V5 to be put in your name before taxing online like currently, or waiting for PO to open to use the new keeper slip.

In all liklihood there will be a lag between when the previous owner sells the car and declares the sale to the dvla. I dont think it will do you any harm to drive back in the newly purchased car.

harveybobbles

wotme wrote: »

You haven't quite grasped this yet, imagine you are the buyer buying a car on the 31st of a month, you will have to tax (or whatever you want to call it) backdated to the 1st of that month. So you now have a car that will have to be "taxed" again in 11 months. Still like the idea?

No. I'd tax it on the 1st of the following month.

Retrogamer

Deleted_User wrote: »

To be honest I wouldn't have any problems driving a car home the short distance without tax and then taxing it at home. Also if the car had tax when you bought it, yes it technically won't have any tax once the car is sold to you, but it will still show as taxed on ANPR until the seller sends the V5 off to the DVLA so unlikely to get stopped for that.

Also the new system will allow tax purchase 24/7 online and phone so no need to wait for V5 to be put in your name before taxing online like currently, or waiting for PO to open to use the new keeper slip.

But won't that tax end up refunded to the previous owner once the V5 is updated with the new keepers details?

roddydogs

I await the first prosecution for having no tax, when the previous owner had taxed the car for that month.