Foreign people on estate use my shared garden as communal area

SnooksNJ

dekaspace wrote: »

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Not relevant at all, and I'm little offended by it.

I'm foreign-born, and the area close to where I live (having a large airport) has a large number of foreign nationals from countries that are close to mine, and we often meet up./QUOTE]

You are offended as you are jumping on the PC bandwagon, I never meant they were disrespectful because they are foreign but as they are foreign they stick with people from their own country, therefore its relevant since their behaviour is based on their foreign community. I even said foreign so I was not accused of racism based on accusing people from a certain country.

And fyi my grandparents are from the same country as these people, I never got to learn the language as they died before I was born and my parents were raised with English as their first language and I want to go to the country someday and each time I speak to someone in detail from that country I mention my grandparents and my surname which is from that country(my father changed our family name back to the foreign name after grandparents died)

If you want to get into foreign born my mother was born when my grandfather on her side was in the army and she spent many of her pre teen years abroad and has a foreign birth certificate and can get a foreign passport from the country of her birth

Backing up all the people who come round are from the same country as the downstairs neighbour, if all the people who came round were British I would have the SAME problems just a few differences

By the way I can be offended by the fact you used the word English since to me that means you think everyone in the UK is English and I am Scottish.

I'm a foreigner and I truly believe if you are a guest in a country you should act accordingly. So if my fellow countrymen weren't cleaning up after their dog, loud, or generally being annoying this foreigner would be the first to call them out.

dominoman

egoode wrote: »

But did your friends come into the halls of residence and drink beer and make a noise and mess when you weren't there? I think the OP has a legitimate complaint in that people who don't live in the block are using the yard when their friend who does live in the block isn't there. Personally I think they should only be allowed to use the space if they are actually there with their friend.

As to what he OP can do about it try and find a translator to come with you when you next try to speak to the neighbour so they can't claim they doesn't understand!

No they didn't. The OP has a perfectly valid complaint. My point is it has nothing to do with them being foreigners. If it was an English tenant letting all their English friends in when they weren't there wouldn't it be the same problem. Mentioning they are foreign so many times indicates it is about more than just a communication issue

DRP

christ* not another one of these threads that goes off on the 'racist' tangent...

OP - as others have posted, check your lease, speak to your management company, maybe ask them to put a polite sign up on the offending door(s). Maybe try again to speak to your neighbour i understand that communication may be difficult but speaking to someone informally is much less likely to get someone's back up than going via the official route.

Personally i would not be impressed at all at finding dog **** in my own garden - I would be using that as your main complaint.


* my apologies to christians

princeofpounds

christ* not another one of these threads that goes off on the 'racist' tangent...

Indeed.

That's the problem with these British types, always trying to outdo each other in political correctness ;-)

dekaspace

jjlandlord wrote: »

It's not about PC, it's about you repeating that they are foreigners at least once per sentence.
At some point people might see that as xenophobic (you thought just saying 'foreigner' would make it all nice and cuddly?)

This is actuallly an useful piece of advice for you, especially if you intend to bring the matter further to the management, landlord, council, etc. : Stick to the facts of their behaviour.

That is being too PC, since its because the people who are friends with the neighbour are foreign thats why it happens therefore relevant, if he was foreign and let people in regardless of nationality then I would not use the word foreign at all but as it stands its all foreign people from the same country I was linking foreign people sticking together as the reason why it happens rather than the reason for things like not cleaning up which would of been racist. Do not let society get to the point where everything you say is broken down and anything that can be misinterpreted is automatically racist or xenophobic because that is a reason why tensions are high since people feel they have to walk on egg shells around foreigners in case of offense.

Oh and this is in Scotland, I was told when I moved in someone keeps leaving latch up and sometimes you get drunks coming in at weekend but they never mentioned the nationality bar that the guy downstairs whom is foreign gets visitors.

As for why I mentioned foreigners so many times I have mild learning difficulties so its hard to write a post same reason for why you may see it as xenophobic because I wrote it simply as I saw it.

[Deleted User]

There are reported incidents of clashes of cultural customs where groups come together in open spaces to socialise. It can cause issues for communities who are not used to late night noise etc and find it intimidating. Nothing racist about objecting to your quality of life being compromised surely?

dominoman

You haven't answered any of the questions here about why you don't ask the management of the block to sort out the door.

If it can't be left off the latch and is kept closed then that solves the problem of these dirty foreigners coming in.

AdrianC

dekaspace wrote: »

That is being too PC, since its because the people who are friends with the neighbour are foreign thats why it happens therefore relevant, if he was foreign and let people in regardless of nationality then I would not use the word foreign at all but as it stands its all foreign people from the same country I was linking foreign people sticking together as the reason why it happens rather than the reason for things like not cleaning up which would of been racist.

Is the reason relevant?
Is the reason the issue?
No. The reason is neither relevant nor the issue.

The issue is the state the place is left in. It is the only issue. The fact that the people who do it are foreign, or all the same nationality (I presume you've been checking passports?), is irrelevant. It would be the same issue whether the people were from Australia, Zimbabwe or anywhere in between. Or, even, British.

Focussing on - or even mentioning - their origins merely detracts from the actual issue.

Pointing this out to you is actually GOOD ADVICE, because it will make any complaint you make less likely to be ignored as the rantings of a xenophobe, and more likely to be investigated.

SnooksNJ

dekaspace wrote: »

That is being too PC, since its because the people who are friends with the neighbour are foreign thats why it happens therefore relevant, if he was foreign and let people in regardless of nationality then I would not use the word foreign at all but as it stands its all foreign people from the same country I was linking foreign people sticking together as the reason why it happens rather than the reason for things like not cleaning up which would of been racist. Do not let society get to the point where everything you say is broken down and anything that can be misinterpreted is automatically racist or xenophobic because that is a reason why tensions are high since people feel they have to walk on egg shells around foreigners in case of offense..

I'm a foreigner and if something were bothering my neighbors I would hope they would tell me about it and we could work it out. It's much better than if they came on a message board and stereotyped all foreigners as sticking together to cover up bad behavior and that we are responsible for the tension in the UK.

dekaspace

AdrianC wrote: »

Is the reason relevant?
Is the reason the issue?
No. The reason is neither relevant nor the issue.

The issue is the state the place is left in. It is the only issue. The fact that the people who do it are foreign, or all the same nationality (I presume you've been checking passports?), is irrelevant. It would be the same issue whether the people were from Australia, Zimbabwe or anywhere in between. Or, even, British.

Focussing on - or even mentioning - their origins merely detracts from the actual issue.

Pointing this out to you is actually GOOD ADVICE, because it will make any complaint you make less likely to be ignored as the rantings of a xenophobe, and more likely to be investigated.

Again the foreign part is relevant because it IS the reason for their actions not in the way that it means people from other countries have bad manners but their community spirit actually is keeping out people from other countries, and do you assume that when I speak to them I speak to them as an outsider, no I speak to them in the same way as a traditional English speaker also I know they are foreign from what they say, do you automatically think I assume they are foreign? Just seems to be an automatic assumption that I am bashing foreigners and it must be unjustified.

How many times do I have to say that the issue is down to the foreigners in my building making friends with people from their own country(and there is no problem with that) the issue is that foreign tenant is letting people do what they want as they are also foreign, if it was all British people who used the gardens and a foreign neighbour I would never have used the term foreign but since its all people from one country using the garden and the reason they were allowed into the building was because they are foreign therefore its relevant.

Sorry to anything I may have missed out I am a bit scatterbrained, there is no mangement company all flats owned by different landlords and self maintained.