Nice People 12: Nice in Nice

zagubov

lostinrates wrote: »

In dh's family there is a story about a female relative who in the camp she was in was for some time/ the whole time believed to be receiving food for 'favours' or something. She was of course not in any kind of good state, but took much longer to get that way. Turns out in more modern times, a very strong prevalence of pcos in that family line. Something not useful in times of plenty is a 'bonus' for the body in times of desperation.

Height's associated with cancer too but nobody's sure whether it's just having more cells to go wrong or if it's a marker for exposure to another cause. There's weaker evidence of an inverse relationship between heart disease and height but I don't know if that's simply because both diseases are jostling for position as the main cause of death. In the Uk heart disease has been knocked to the number two spot because the benefits of smoking reduction have been kicking in.

There's a lot of associations between disease and extreme survival. High blood pressure and ability to survive drought and dehydration. Obesity and ability to survive famines is a more obvious one.

GDB2222

zagubov wrote: »

Height's associated with cancer too but nobody's sure whether it's just having more cells to go wrong or if it's a marker for exposure to another cause. There's weaker evidence of an inverse relationship between heart disease and height but I don't know if that's simply because both diseases are jostling for position as the main cause of death. In the Uk heart disease has been knocked to the number two spot because the benefits of smoking reduction have been kicking in.

There's a lot of associations between disease and extreme survival. High blood pressure and ability to survive drought and dehydration. Obesity and ability to survive famines is a more obvious one.

ONS stats for 2012 show that Alzheimer's and dementia is the chief cause of death for women, followed by heart disease. For men, heart disease is double the next closest. Stroke is well up the list for both men and women.

I'm not quite sure how these stats work. MIL died of pneumonia, brought on by her dementia, which was stroke-related. The death certificate listed all three causes, but I assume that MIL's death was only tabulated for stats purposes under the first cause in the list, which was pneumonia.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vs!!!/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/sty-causes-of-death.html

Leading causes of death in men, England and Wales, 2012

Rank Leading cause of death No. of men Percentage of men
1 Heart disease 37423 15.60%
2 Lung cancer 16698 7.00%
3 Emphysema/bronchitis 14378 6.00%
4 Stroke 14116 5.90%
5 Dementia and Alzheimer’s 13984 5.80%
6 Flu/pneumonia 11063 4.60%
7 Prostate cancer 9698 4.00%
8 Bowel cancer 7841 3.30%
9 Lymphoid cancer 6301 2.60%
10 Throat cancer 4603 1.90%



Leading causes of death in women, England and Wales, 2012

Rank Leading cause of death No. of women Percentage of women
1 Dementia and Alzheimer’s 29873 11.50%
2 Heart disease 26741 10.30%
3 Stroke 21730 8.40%
4 Flu/pneumonia 15075 5.80%
5 Emphysema/bronchitis 14155 5.50%
6 Lung cancer 13575 5.20%
7 Breast cancer 10311 4%
8 Bowel cancer 6600 2.50%
9 Urinary disease 5570 2.10%
10 Heart failure 5065 2%

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

Interestingly, people suffering from depression seem to be much better able to judge risks accurately than those who do not suffer from depression. Unfortunately I can't find a link to the study at the moment.

They used to say that people with mental health issues are a good judge of who else has them too. Supposedly patients in psychiatric hospitals were aware before the staff about how fast other patients were recovering.

Also they didn't regard sociopaths as ill, although what that says about them I don't know.

Generali

GDB2222 wrote: »

ONS stats for 2012 show that Alzheimer's and dementia is the chief cause of death for women, followed by heart disease. For men, heart disease is double the next closest. Stroke is well up the list for both men and women.

I'm not quite sure how these stats work. MIL died of pneumonia, brought on by her dementia, which was stroke-related. The death certificate listed all three causes, but I assume that MIL's death was only tabulated for stats purposes under the first cause in the list, which was pneumonia.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vs!!!/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/sty-causes-of-death.html

Leading causes of death in men, England and Wales, 2012

Rank Leading cause of death No. of men Percentage of men
1 Heart disease 37423 15.60%
2 Lung cancer 16698 7.00%
3 Emphysema/bronchitis 14378 6.00%
4 Stroke 14116 5.90%
5 Dementia and Alzheimer’s 13984 5.80%
6 Flu/pneumonia 11063 4.60%
7 Prostate cancer 9698 4.00%
8 Bowel cancer 7841 3.30%
9 Lymphoid cancer 6301 2.60%
10 Throat cancer 4603 1.90%



Leading causes of death in women, England and Wales, 2012

Rank Leading cause of death No. of women Percentage of women
1 Dementia and Alzheimer’s 29873 11.50%
2 Heart disease 26741 10.30%
3 Stroke 21730 8.40%
4 Flu/pneumonia 15075 5.80%
5 Emphysema/bronchitis 14155 5.50%
6 Lung cancer 13575 5.20%
7 Breast cancer 10311 4%
8 Bowel cancer 6600 2.50%
9 Urinary disease 5570 2.10%
10 Heart failure 5065 2%

Funny isn't it. All that money is pumped into screening for breast cancer and cervical cancer when on the face of it you'd be much better trying to prevent heart disease.

silvercar

Generali wrote: »

Funny isn't it. All that money is pumped into screening for breast cancer and cervical cancer when on the face of it you'd be much better trying to prevent heart disease.

Maybe the figures for breast and cervical cancer are lower precisely because there is a decent screening programme.

Generali

silvercar wrote: »

Maybe the figures for breast and cervical cancer are lower precisely because there is a decent screening programme.

Maybe.

There are studies that I've seen referred to in The Economist and elsewhere that have said that breast screening is actively harmful as it throws up so many false positives compared to the number of cases it finds early. This, I think, is the study concerned:

http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD001877/screening-for-breast-cancer-with-mammography

lostinrates

Generali wrote: »

Maybe.

There are studies that I've seen referred to in The Economist and elsewhere that have said that breast screening is actively harmful as it throws up so many false positives compared to the number of cases it finds early. This, I think, is the study concerned:

http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD001877/screening-for-breast-cancer-with-mammography

Breasts are like pandas.

They are cute and every one likes them. Men like them, women like them. Every one has a vested interested in saving them.

Bowels, bits of pipe or organ somewhere obscure in the body that people don't see or really 'care ' about in the same way its hard to get so much interest in.

PasturesNew

Am I the shortest NP? 5'1"

Just went over to the old place, to do some more cleaning. Did a lot, including vacuuming the living room carpet inch by inch ..... pottered off to do other stuff, had to replace the outside bulb and clean the lamp, gave the windows another going over, swapped the shower head/pipe over, cleaned the bathroom sink/taps and the shower tray, then went back to the vacuum to give the hall another going over and vacuum didn't work.

Now - this can be for one of two reasons: [a] vacuum has broken sockets aren't working. Tried another socket but it'll be the same circuit. So packed up and came home.... vacuum works fine! Must be the sockets blew while I was there (odd timing) - and the switch for that is next door (and they were out).

Glad to be out of there.... odd smell still/again .... but I think it's the drains as I could smell something by the drains outside. Maybe as I've not been swilling water down the drains every day they're just whiffing backwards (stale, not lavatorial). I chucked some neat bleach down both sinks while I was there .... that'll at least do something.

PasturesNew

... and Gavin's definitely not on my Xmas card list .... not heard a thing from BT yet.

Edit 1: Just heard .... they'll look into the order and contact me tomorrow.

So no further forward really ... just getting told it'll be looked into

I was asked if I am available if an engineer calls, so I said "yes"; they turn up randomly, without warning, so I'll stay in again. I was just upstairs packing a huge Ikea bag with throws and bath sheets as they've been vacuum packed for 2-4 years now so, while clean when they went in, they aren't smelling so fresh.... so I thought I'd go and do one big laundromat wash with them, get it over and done with in one, rather than having a pile and going through them slowly in my own machine (which isn't plumbed in yet).

Generali

PasturesNew wrote: »

Am I the shortest NP? 5'1"

Dunno. I was in imperial but now I'm 167cm, give or take.