Job Centre's Silly WF Interview

nannytone_2

K0SS wrote: »

They are clients in the sense, they are asking me for help. I should have just said friends or something to remove the confusion. They ask me for advice and I provide it to them if it is within my remit.

not being rude, but if you dont know that ESA and PIP are totally different benefits that can be awarded at the same time...
i'd suggest that you arent really in a position to advise anyone regarding benefit.
you would do far better to refer your friend to CAB/DIAL or welfare rights

Poppie68

K0SS wrote: »

I think the issue is the bureaucratic process he is addressing, which I actually agree with him on. I think you do need some kind of legal knowledge to understand what you're legally obliged to do and what isn't legally required of you, which at times can be difficult to spot. This is why a lot of claims/assessments at courts get overturned, because the courts will not have it.

I like the powerpoint presentation it removes any ambiguity.

Legal knowledge is not needed when completing forms for ESA/PIP or any other benefit.
For example with ESA and PIP you need to know and understand your illness or disability. You need to understand that they require evidence if claims are going to be awarded without the need of intervention in the form of assesments etc. If you are refused and wish to appeal you just need to understand the process, but this is where forums such as this provide invaluable advice to those that find it hard to deal with these issues.
I'm sorry i would think only the anal would feel the need to present a medical professional during an assesment or a tribunal with a power point presentation:D

K0SS

nannytone wrote: »

not being rude, but if you dont know that ESA and PIP are totally different benefits that can be awarded at the same time...
i'd suggest that you arent really in a position to advise anyone regarding benefit.
you would do far better to refer your friend to CAB/DIAL or welfare rights

That is what I am going to do. I'm not too clued up on benefits and how to make claims, it was bad enough helping him with his ESA. Don't want to get into another quagmire.

sueturnersmith

ESA and PIP, as already stated, are different awards, and can both be claimed at the same time.

Do you mean crown green bowls or ten pin bowls? Or do you mean bowels? If you mean bowels, then how does that affect your 'clients' mobility?

K0SS

Poppie68 wrote: »

We have pointed out ESA and PIP are totally different benefits..
They are not linked in anyway....he could be on both at the same time.

I'm going to refer him to CAB, I admittedly wasn't aware that one can be entitled to both. Would a benefits cap affect those either of those benefits?

Thanks for the heads up though.

K0SS

sueturnersmith wrote: »

ESA and PIP, as already stated, are different awards, and can both be claimed at the same time.

Do you mean crown green bowls or ten pin bowls? Or do you mean bowels? If you mean bowels, then how does that affect your 'clients' mobility?

Good catch yes I did mean bowels. It does affect his mobility he has to be near a toilet or get to a toilet fast. Since he also has social anxiety it is practically impossible for him to use public toilets. Apparently when he has a major flare up he is pretty much unable to move or get to a toilet he needs assistance.

nannytone_2

if someone receives a disability benefit, then the benefit cap doesnt apply

K0SS

Poppie68 wrote: »

Legal knowledge is not needed when completing forms for ESA/PIP or any other benefit.
For example with ESA and PIP you need to know and understand your illness or disability. You need to understand that they require evidence if claims are going to be awarded without the need of intervention in the form of assesments etc. If you are refused and wish to appeal you just need to understand the process, but this is where forums such as this provide invaluable advice to those that find it hard to deal with these issues.
I'm sorry i would think only the anal would feel the need to present a medical professional during an assesment or a tribunal with a power point presentation:D

So you would prefer a barely readable scribbled out form to say a clearly written out document? I understand those with mental problems might struggle with the latter, however I think it would just make everyone's job a little easier. You could have it filled out over the phone or by a representative. The DWP staff should work with the person and help them throughout the whole process.

Cyclamen

Hello Koss

PIp is not means assessed you can claim it whilst working and as said is for care and mobility needs..

ESA is for folks too poorly to work

Youcan claim both I do

I am guessing if your friend has bowel problems its going to be something like crohns.. but i'm just guessing. In your situation i would google the health charity for his illness an dsee if they have a guide to filling in PIP.

I have found these for arthritis, MS and various other illnesses free online, written by various national charities and they are a great starting place.

Have you looked at the PIP criteria ..http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

I think unless your friend has other illnesses or is incredibly severe he may not be as easy to claim PIP for as you initially think.

I don't think PIP falls into a benefits cap.. but am not certain.. i know mine isn't used to calculate income for other benefits.. which is lucky as its pretty much spent on paying for extra carers, transport and health stuff.

tomtontom

K0SS wrote: »

So you would prefer a barely readable scribbled out form to say a clearly written out document? I understand those with mental problems might struggle with the latter, however I think it would just make everyone's job a little easier. You could have it filled out over the phone or by a representative. The DWP staff should work with the person and help them throughout the whole process.

Having 'mental problems' does not make a person illiterate!