Legal right if MOT'd incorrectly

nobbysn*ts

factor29 wrote: »

Good news anyway, just phoned for an update.

Brake fluid was leaking onto the drum, so drum & cylinder are being replaced, and MOT pass certificate sorted free of charge.

That seems fair, although to be honest, that is the sort of fault that honestly could have happened today, and been fine for the previous mot.

UsernameAlreadyExists

factor29 wrote: »

Good news anyway, just phoned for an update.

Brake fluid was leaking onto the drum, so drum & cylinder are being replaced, and MOT pass certificate sorted free of charge.

So they're leaving the oil soaked shoes in but changing the drum (which could easily be wiped clean)? and the cylinder? There are cylinder repair kits on ebay for about a tenner, it's only a few bits of rubber.


Mad

Mankysteve

UsernameAlreadyExists wrote: »

So they're leaving the oil soaked shoes in but changing the drum (which could easily be wiped clean)? and the cylinder? There are cylinder repair kits on ebay for about a tenner, it's only a few bits of rubber.


Mad

By the time you've added in the techs wage for strip down, rusted bolt s ect it usually works out cheaper to replace the entire drum.
As you say though make sure there putting new shoes on as well.

AdrianC

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Really? You'd take a car to be repaired, that failed the mot for the front brakes, but you'd fully expect to pay to have the back stripped down first, even they they'd just passed the mot?

If the brakes were so neglected that they'd failed the MOT - without the driver actually noticing the brakes did !!!!!! all - frankly, I find it easier to consider from the repairer's p-o-v... But, yes, I most certainly would be questioning whether all four were equally knackered, and pointing out that - at the very least - the fluid needed changing all round, and preferably the drums pulling off for a quick look.

Given that the problem was (oh, what a surprise) a leaking cylinder and fluid-soaked shoes, a quick visual of the outside of the drums would probably have shown dampness, and almost certainly seized nipples would have been found on the fluid change.

I wouldn't let them near them myself.

They've passed the MOT, therefore they must be in perfect condition and not need any attention until next year's MOT, right?

AdrianC

UsernameAlreadyExists wrote: »

So they're leaving the oil soaked shoes in but changing the drum (which could easily be wiped clean)?

If we wind the Chinese Whispers back a notch, I think it's safe to say it was the shoes replaced, not the drum.

and the cylinder? There are cylinder repair kits on ebay for about a tenner, it's only a few bits of rubber.

Not worth the hassle, even if you're DIYing. If you're paying for labour, they actively work out more expensive, even before you consider the inevitably shorter life.

nobbysn*ts

So, you reckon if a customer comes into you, with a car that's failed the front brakes on the mot, and the back with not even an advisory, and you had no idea of the service history, you reckon upselling a fluid change (may have been done last service, but get one sold anyway), already set up stripping the threads in the rear cylinders, and get the drums off, (again, no idea of services), and you justify it by claiming it was needed, for a fault that could easily have happens in the two weeks between tests. Ok, maybe even Kwik Fit wouldn't go that far.

AdrianC

(Damn this alpha redesign for hiding the "block troll" so thoroughly...)

<sigh> I'll bite.
OK, so what's going to make front discs fail the MOT without (let's presume) the godawful screech of metal-on-metal? Simple. One thing. Claggy, sticky, nasty, corrosiongoop all over the slides. Does that appear overnight? No, it does not. It takes years of dedicated abuse and neglect. If anybody had changed the fluid in the last two years - or even taken more than a passing glance at the meat on the pads - do you not think that they might have sorted that out at the same time? Quite.

Unless pads are to the metal (and you'd know that before the car had even come to a rest), front discs don't fail MOTs if they've had somebody clueful enough to give the first flying toss about changing fluid go anywhere near them in a blue moon.

But you probably don't regard changing DOT3/4 every two years as important, either, do you? Even though knackered rear cylinders is the best possible outcome of not doing so.

nobbysn*ts

AdrianC wrote: »

(Damn this alpha redesign for hiding the "block troll" so thoroughly...)

<sigh> I'll bite.
OK, so what's going to make front discs fail the MOT without (let's presume) the godawful screech of metal-on-metal? Simple. One thing. Claggy, sticky, nasty, corrosiongoop all over the slides. Does that appear overnight? No, it does not. It takes years of dedicated abuse and neglect. If anybody had changed the fluid in the last two years - or even taken more than a passing glance at the meat on the pads - do you not think that they might have sorted that out at the same time? Quite.

Unless pads are to the metal (and you'd know that before the car had even come to a rest), front discs don't fail MOTs if they've had somebody clueful enough to give the first flying toss about changing fluid go anywhere near them in a blue moon.

But you probably don't regard changing DOT3/4 every two years as important, either, do you? Even though knackered rear cylinders is the best possible outcome of not doing so.

So know you're selling new discs as well? All the op said was it failed for "front brakes" Anything from a clean, grease the sliders, maybe new pads, and most are sorted. You've upsold to new discs, new pads, brake fluid change, and strip down of the rear drums. No doubt new cylinders when you stripped the threads, and new shoes as well?

AdrianC

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

So know you're selling new discs as well?

Thank you for confirming that your comprehension skills are on a par to your understanding of brakes.

nobbysn*ts

AdrianC wrote: »

Thank you for confirming that your comprehension skills are on a par to your understanding of brakes.

Comprehension skills refer to reading, no doubt you are trying to refer to my typo, which is a writing skill. Possibly you meant "grammar"