University. One to two marks off a first? Experiences?

Person_one

pleasedelete wrote: »

The university is just as important than the class. a 2.1 from a Russell Group in an enabling subject will way outweigh a 1st from a former poly or HE college.

I'll save this post for when my final results come through in a few weeks! :rotfl:

Mrs_Ryan

Person_one wrote: »

Are you wanting to do a PGCE or a PTLLS type qualification after your degree?

just seen that Nottingham Trent Uni do the PGCE in lifelong learning and the requirement for entry is a min Third. That might be something to consider.. They will also accept my numeracy qualification.

Buzzybee90

pleasedelete wrote: »

The university is just as important than the class. a 2.1 from a Russell Group in an enabling subject will way outweigh a 1st from a former poly or HE college.

Again even with a 2.1 from a 2nd or 3rd rate uni you wont get onto a blue chip graduate scheme.

Location, location, location or uni, uni, uni

A 1st can actually count against you from a 2nd rate uni- it raises questions as to why you didn't access a better uni (so shows possibly lacking vision and ambition).

But certain universities are better at certain disciples. I got the grades to go to a russel group uni but chose a former poly as it excelled in the degree I read. No regrets!

Person_one

Buzzybee90 wrote: »

But certain universities are better at certain disciples. I got the grades to go to a russel group uni but chose a former poly as it excelled in the degree I read. No regrets!

Yep, very true.

Not everybody wants to get onto a corporate graduate entry scheme!

pleasedelete

More true with science than arts as some institutions have a reputation for a specialism. But for a broad mainstream degrees and arts it is uni,uni,uni.

It isn't just large graduate schemes it influences, it is also post grad study options and long term employment.

Person_one

pleasedelete wrote: »

More true with science than arts as some institutions have a reputation for a specialism. But for a broad mainstream degrees and arts it is uni,uni,uni.

It isn't just large graduate schemes it influences, it is also post grad study options and long term employment.

For the arts, it is 'uni uni uni' but the ones that have the best reputation in the art/design field aren't the traditional red brick or Russell Group at all. The best universities for the arts are usually ex polys that have incorporated the old smaller art colleges into themselves at some point in their history.

pleasedelete

I think that you may be trying to kid yourself. I recruit a lot of people across a wide range of expertise ( I am not in recruitment I am a specialist adviser) . These are high paying roles within the UK. For overseas roles uni matters even more.

Believe me- the university matters even 30 years later. The times that I hear- what University did they attend as part of a panel or shortlisting discussion.

Russell Group matters. Anyone who could go to one and choses not to is restricting their future employment prospects.

Teenagers need better careers advice and guidance from schools. A level choices matter. University choices matter.

Person_one

pleasedelete wrote: »

I think that you may be trying to kid yourself. I recruit a lot of people across a wide range of expertise ( I am not in recruitment I am a specialist adviser) . These are high paying roles within the UK. For overseas roles uni matters even more.

Believe me- the university matters even 30 years later. The times that I hear- what University did they attend as part of a panel or shortlisting discussion.

Russell Group matters. Anyone who could go to one and choses not to is restricting their future employment prospects.

Teenagers need better careers advice and guidance from schools. A level choices matter. University choices matter.

Do you work in the arts? I did. If you don't then it may be that your expertise in recruitment doesn't extend to that particular field.

You'd have a really hard job studying graphic design, fashion, or sculpture at most Russell Group universities. UCL only excels in the subject because it has the Slade.

Here are the top universities for Art and Design, it looks very different to the list for chemistry, or medicine, or engineering:

http://www.theguardian.com/education/table/2013/jun/04/university-guide-art-design

Buzzybee90

pleasedelete wrote: »

I think that you may be trying to kid yourself. I recruit a lot of people across a wide range of expertise ( I am not in recruitment I am a specialist adviser) . These are high paying roles within the UK. For overseas roles uni matters even more.

Believe me- the university matters even 30 years later. The times that I hear- what University did they attend as part of a panel or shortlisting discussion.

Russell Group matters. Anyone who could go to one and choses not to is restricting their future employment prospects.

Teenagers need better careers advice and guidance from schools. A level choices matter. University choices matter.

Well ok, I can't say I'm too bothered. Very happy in my field my other half also went to the same uni and he has a very respectable job and wage and he's only 24. I'm sure I will be ok just plodding along

pleasedelete

Buzzybee90 wrote: »

Well ok, I can't say I'm too bothered. Very happy in my field my other half also went to the same uni and he has a very respectable job and wage and he's only 24. I'm sure I will be ok just plodding along

And that is fine if that is what he and you want. Respectable job and wage is subjective. Some people see £60k as a good graduate salary after 10 years- others don't- big North/south divide. Money isn't everything- you decide what you want in life.

With the increasing costs of education the 'value' of the degree becomes more important in many ways. With some degrees you may well never recoup the investment spent on it in higher earnings. We have gone from a system in 30 years where a minority (3% ish but more into wider HE) went to a 'university' to one where the ambition is 50%. Something has to give somewhere- the graduate market is more competitive but at the same time what a 'graduate' job is has also changed and many equate now to a job for a leaver at 18 previously.