Would taxing property values be fairer than the Council Tax?

antrobus

rash161 wrote: »

....From each according to his ability, ...

Otherwise known as, tax.

BillJones

rash161 wrote: »

The only risk to the people comes from the government and their mercenary military/police force.

You see, we could have had an intelligent conversation, and then you go and say something as stupid as this.

If you genuinely believe that other citizens don't steal, kill, or otherwise harm each other, then it's not worth wasting any time on you. You are self-evidently completely wrong.

Why would you claim something that you know not to be true?

rash161

BillJones wrote: »

You see, we could have had an intelligent conversation, and then you go and say something as stupid as this.

If you genuinely believe that other citizens don't steal, kill, or otherwise harm each other, then it's not worth wasting any time on you. You are self-evidently completely wrong.

Why would you claim something that you know not to be true?

Other citizens do things like that but only because of the position that they're put into by capitalism.

Also, I don't want the protection of the police force and certainly not the army (who I believe to be terrorists), I should have the option to opt out of paying for that.

PlymouthMaid

I would say 'no' they shouldn't to the original question partly because if I choose to spend most of my disposable income on a nice home and others may spend theirs on holidays/booze/drugs.gambling/pets or whatever (as is their right), why should I have to pay more council tax for using the same services?

All adults should pay for council tax (with discounts etc for low waged etc) and it should have nothing to do with the actual property as 6 people in a small house are still using more local facilities than 1 in a big house.

CLAPTON

rash161 wrote: »

Other citizens do things like that but only because of the position that they're put into by capitalism.

Also, I don't want the protection of the police force and certainly not the army (who I believe to be terrorists), I should have the option to opt out of paying for that.

what is it you disapprove of in capitalism?

is it that is makes people rich and hence forced to steal, rape, murder etc.

noh

PlymouthMaid wrote: »

I would say 'no' they shouldn't to the original question partly because if I choose to spend most of my disposable income on a nice home and others may spend theirs on holidays/booze/drugs.gambling/pets or whatever (as is their right), why should I have to pay more council tax for using the same services?

All adults should pay for council tax (with discounts etc for low waged etc) and it should have nothing to do with the actual property as 6 people in a small house are still using more local facilities than 1 in a big house.

Let's call it a Community Charge or Poll Tax.
I'm sure that it will work well!

System

Actually I'm a bit tired of local democracy. Let's just have council officials employed directly by the government, and then abolish all these self-seeking councillors granting each other planning permission for dubious property deals.
Then we wouldn't need rates at all - just add the costs onto income tax.

Bantex_2

noh wrote: »

Let's call it a Community Charge or Poll Tax.
I'm sure that it will work well!

Poll tax seemed a pretty good idea to me. Never did figure out why Maggie capitulated to the unwashed.

PlymouthMaid

I agree - the 'poll tax' was a sensible idea but, if I recall correctly, just didn't have enough safeguards built in for the low waged/disabled etc.

CLAPTON

PlymouthMaid wrote: »

I agree - the 'poll tax' was a sensible idea but, if I recall correctly, just didn't have enough safeguards built in for the low waged/disabled etc.

there are certainly people that think the richer should pay more than the less rich to state provided services and there are people that disagree.

one might suppose that the majority, including the rich, think that the poor should pay less.