Sharing/conflict resolution at nursery school?

notanewuser

lostinrates wrote: »

Less.

Grappling with established philosophies and status quos has works for some of the greatest thinkers there have been.

But in this case that would be by accident, rather than design.

Person_one

lostinrates wrote: »

Less.

Grappling with established philosophies and status quos has works for some of the greatest thinkers there have been.

That makes it sound like we should indoctrinate all children so that they've got some unsubstantiated belief to grapple with!

lostinrates

Person_one wrote: »

That makes it sound like we should indoctrinate all children so that they've got some unsubstantiated belief to grapple with!

Again, only if you want it to person one.

mountainofdebt

well I always had an issue with Junior being forced to learn Welsh.....and he went to English medium schools.

I had issues with him having to do a welsh gsce.

But that's the policy of the Welsh Assembly. Didn't like it but told him to suck it up

Perhaps when they change the policy over teaching of religion they can also have a look at this as well

Person_one

lostinrates wrote: »

Again, only if you want it to person one.

Maybe you can explain it to me more slowly then!

notanewuser

mountainofdebt wrote: »

well I always had an issue with Junior being forced to learn Welsh.....and he went to English medium schools.

I had issues with him having to do a welsh gsce.

But that's the policy of the Welsh Assembly. Didn't like it but told him to suck it up

Perhaps when they change the policy over teaching of religion they can also have a look at this as well

I was at school pre-WAG and chose Welsh GCSE. Meant I couldn't take german or french as well. Didn't realise the Welsh GCSE was compulsory now! Did he get to choose other languages as well?

mountainofdebt

notanewuser wrote: »

I was at school pre-WAG and chose Welsh GCSE. Meant I couldn't take german or french as well. Didn't realise the Welsh GCSE was compulsory now! Did he get to choose other languages as well?

Fortunately yes. He chose to do French
But I would have liked him to have the option learning a more global language

balletshoes

Person_one wrote: »

I'd say singing hymns and saying prayers are definitely participating. Those are acts of worship, they are the things that followers of the religion do to express their belief.

Hearing somebody preach is also very different than hearing somebody explain.

i completely agree - especially when its 3 times a day, and its the same religion which is being worshipped every school day. Thats not learning about it, thats participating, to me.

Nicki

notanewuser wrote: »

Ae you confusing learning and participation again?

There is no "range of religious situations" during the school day. So a child from a fanatical christian family will have their beliefs endorsed at a state school where prayers to god and bible lessons are doled out as fact.

A child from a fanatical family attending a truly secular school, learning about all religion in RE, won't be getting that validation, and may well change their point of view over time.

Sigh. You really are very closed minded aren't you?

No I am not confusing learning with participating and haven't done anywhere in this thread however much it might suit your agenda to suggest that I have.

I may in fact have more insight than you on this particular issue having lived in two very divided areas in my time and seen this in action.

Growing up in Northern Ireland many of the Roman Catholic children were taught by their families that the Protestant faith was heathen and were withdrawn from assembly as a result. One RC friend of mine asked her parents to allow her to attend the daily assembly and was startled to learn that it was in fact barely different to what she was used to.

The schools two of my children attend are more than 50% Muslim. Again the assembly where a range of faiths have been taught but which have certainly included Christian prayers and hymns too have greatly increased tolerance amongst all pupils of all faiths. Far more so than if the Muslim children only attended mosque and the Christian children only attended church and neither were exposed to alternative practices. No one is forced to "participate" if they don't want to as being present when something happens is not the same as active participation.

Your own description of what happens in this welsh school consists of a range of religious situations! An assembly is very different to a visiting vicar which is different to a grace said at a meal time. You also pointed out quite acerbically that you are only 10 miles from Cardiff and there would therefore be visiting leaders of alternative faiths too. What else do you require to have a range of religious situations?

notanewuser

Nicki wrote: »

No I am not confusing learning with participating and haven't done anywhere in this thread however much it might suit your agenda to suggest that I have.

No agenda. Others have pointed it out too.

Nicki wrote: »

The schools two of my children attend are more than 50% Muslim. Again the assembly where a range of faiths have been taught but which have certainly included Christian prayers and hymns too have greatly increased tolerance amongst all pupils of all faiths. Far more so than if the Muslim children only attended mosque and the Christian children only attended church and neither were exposed to alternative practices. No one is forced to "participate" if they don't want to as being present when something happens is not the same as active participation.

How can you possibly know this?

Nicki wrote: »

Your own description of what happens in this welsh school consists of a range of religious situations! An assembly is very different to a visiting vicar which is different to a grace said at a meal time. You also pointed out quite acerbically that you are only 10 miles from Cardiff and there would therefore be visiting leaders of alternative faiths too. What else do you require to have a range of religious situations?

At no point have I said that there would be vicars, or any other religious leaders attending the school. That's a question I haven't yet asked. I did say that some of the older children had been on a trip to a synagogue, but that isn't quite the same thing.