A Yes vote means better jobs for young people in Scotland

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Pincher wrote: »

It's looking like 50-50 if you believe the polls.


Let us say it ends up 51% vs 49%, it means HALF the population has to do what the other half says.


For something like this, I would have thought you need an overwhelming majority in favour, either way. All the hassle, which directly translates into time and money, present and future, and HALF the population don't want it?

This outcome, whichever way around, shows that there is no real mandate for independence and no real mandate for the status quo.

Both sides campaigning know that the (soon-to-be) settled will of the Scottish people is for further devolution, hence the Unionists are offering further devolution (on top of the Scotland Act 2012 and the powers already devolved) and the Nationalists' independence proposal being a complete sham.

Bit of a waste of time really. The problem will be if the Nationalists win and folk are lumbered with the real consequences of separation rather than what they have been sold.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Bill it could be seen as anti scottish the way you are referring to yes voters as nationalists. I'm voting yes yet I am not a nationalist. I simply feel it's in my country's best interests to look after it's own affairs.

I was on holiday recently for a family wedding. It was all English guests on both sides. One evening we chatted about the referendum and I was told that it was probably best that we chose independence as "they" were fed up subsiding our higher education and free prescriptions. This seems to be a widely held belief and probably fosters ill feeling between the nations. I didn't hold it against them as it's what the media tells people. We might even have a better relationship if we go our own way. I've lost count of the amount of times on this forum I've read of people who would boycott scottish goods and actually wish failure on us if we dare to choose independence. Why?

very fair minded

your not a nationlist but all your English friends are.

Leanne1812

CLAPTON wrote: »

very fair minded

your not a nationlist but all your English friends are.

You must be mistaken, nowhere in my post do I infer that.

I'm not anti English, I wanted to share my experience recently and see what the response was. I'm not offended by anyone calling me a nationalist, I'm not but if that's how you choose to define me I'm ok with that. There's bigger, more important issues to discuss regarding this referendum.

Leanne1812

BillJones wrote: »

That's an interesting sentence. It always seems rather passive-aggressive when a scots poster starts typing in dialect, and I've pretty much never seen it other than when that's the most likely reason.

I'm pretty sure everyone eligible to vote in the referendum scots or not will know what I mean by "wee". A wee bit of research is all that's needed, you start with a wee bit and you become engrossed in this issue and do another wee bit and before you know it you might actually be a wee bit informed If you want to analyse the meaning behind my sentence it and decide its passive aggressive then there's nothing I can do about that.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

You must be mistaken, nowhere in my post do I infer that.

I'm not anti English, I wanted to share my experience recently and see what the response was. I'm not offended by anyone calling me a nationalist, I'm not but if that's how you choose to define me I'm ok with that. There's bigger, more important issues to discuss regarding this referendum.

you are not a nationalist?

what do you consider a nationalist to be?

you want to break a 300 year union because ............ ?

then you just happen to quote your English friends all want separation

the biggest issue of the referendum is racist hatred

Leanne1812

CLAPTON wrote: »

you are not a nationalist?

what do you consider a nationalist to be?

you want to break a 300 year union because ............ ?

then you just happen to quote your English friends all want separation

the biggest issue of the referendum is racist hadred

If you think the biggest issue in this referendum is racial hatred you are seriously misinformed. I live in Scotland, I spend quite a lot of time reading about the referendum, I interact on social media with other voters, I have attended public meetings regarding the referendum and I can assure you in my experience it plays no part in peoples voting intentions. People may mention Westminster and you may mistake that for English but it's about politics not the nation itself.

I want to break free from the union because I believe it's not in Scotland's best interests to continue. To put it simply I want us to grow up and look after our own affairs. At least then it will be our mistakes and we can stop blaming Westminster. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd tell England the same, make a choice based on what you believe will benefit the majority in your country, do what's best for your nation. What's wrong with that?

Am I a nationalist to want independence? If you see me as one then I have no problem with that, however I won't have you insinuating I am anti English. I am married to an Englishman who also will be voting yes my family and friends in England are sadly uninformed and I can understand why they might be happy for Scotland to go but I wouldn't say they were racist for thinking as they did.

I think you need to get over this anti sentiment, to keep raising it might make people think you are the one perpetuating it.

BillJones

CLAPTON wrote: »

you are not a nationalist?

what do you consider a nationalist to be?

you want to break a 300 year union because ............ ?

then you just happen to quote your English friends all want separation

the biggest issue of the referendum is racist hadred

It's really bizarre, how little it seems to take for the nats to take offence.

It's weird, the scots have an international reputation for being hard to wind up, for being even-tempered, and slow to anger, and yet the impression given here is quite the opposite.

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

If you think the biggest issue in this referendum is racial hatred you are seriously misinformed. I live in Scotland, I spend quite a lot of time reading about the referendum, I interact on social media with other voters, I have attended public meetings regarding the referendum and I can assure you in my experience it plays no part in peoples voting intentions. People may mention Westminster and you may mistake that for English but it's about politics not the nation itself.

I want to break free from the union because I believe it's not in Scotland's best interests to continue. To put it simply I want us to grow up and look after our own affairs. At least then it will be our mistakes and we can stop blaming Westminster. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd tell England the same, make a choice based on what you believe will benefit the majority in your country, do what's best for your nation. What's wrong with that?

Am I a nationalist to want independence? If you see me as one then I have no problem with that, however I won't have you insinuating I am anti English. I am married to an Englishman who also will be voting yes my family and friends in England are sadly uninformed and I can understand why they might be happy for Scotland to go but I wouldn't say they were racist for thinking as they did.

I think you need to get over this anti sentiment, to keep raising it might make people think you are the one perpetuating it.

so you want to separate because you 'want to grow up' .. unbelievable?

in what way aren't you already grown up as part of the UK?

do you believe that New Yorkers aren't grown up because they are part of the USA?

do you believe people living in Brittany aren't grown up because they are part of France?


do you support joining the EU and giving away your 'grown up ' status asap
or do you want to stay 'grown up' and be independent and outside the EU?

Generali

BillJones wrote: »

It's really bizarre, how little it seems to take for the nats to take offence.

It's weird, the scots have an international reputation for being hard to wind up, for being even-tempered, and slow to anger, and yet the impression given here is quite the opposite.

Nationalists tend to be extremists in any country. Extremists tend not to have much of a sense of humour.

Leanne1812

BillJones wrote: »

It's really bizarre, how little it seems to take for the nats to take offence.

It's weird, the scots have an international reputation for being hard to wind up, for being even-tempered, and slow to anger, and yet the impression given here is quite the opposite.

Bill, when it's a very, very emotive subject for scots it's hard sometimes not to get a little bit heated. Sometimes I feel I will be glad when it is all over but while it is still to come and there's still so many undecided and so much unanswered it is a difficult issue no matter what side you align with. We are quite nice folk usually, honest