Turned down a course

morganedge

how about a trainee payroll assistant job?

PasturesNew

Most admin jobs aren't the result of having done a course; it could be said there is no such course.

You need some skills (the usual maths/English and computer savvy bits), beyond that some experience. Maybe the best way to get experience is to try to find a volunteer job that's admin work.

For example, read this: http://www.do-it.org.uk/articles/types-of-volunteering/administration/admin-at-citizens-advice/

SeduLOUs

captainhindsight wrote: »

To people having a go at him, I dont think that is solution. If you dont agree with benefits etc, give him advice, support and help so he doesn't need to be on benefits any more and can be self sufficient.

I am trying to advise him. The fact is he's already decided what job he wants to do. The reality is that the world doesn't work quite like that, and when you have no job, any job is better than nothing.

Getting a job (even if he doesn't like it) will provide him with wages that he can use to fund courses and set him on a path towards the job he actually wants. Just having a job on his CV and holding it down for a period of time will significantly increase his chances of getting the job he wants later down the line as he will have illustrated he can get to work on time and have some experience of working as part of a team.

Unfortunately he doesn't seem to want to work towards his goals and is happy to sit around and wait for someone to hand him the 'perfect' job. This is NEVER going to happen.

Instead of complaining that the world is conspiring against him, he needs to get into any work that he can, even if it makes his feet sore. That's the first vital step on the path to getting the admin job he actually wants.

Bantex_2

captainhindsight wrote: »

To people having a go at him, I dont think that is solution. If you dont agree with benefits etc, give him advice, support and help so he doesn't need to be on benefits any more and can be self sufficient.

The existence of the benefit system is a different issue to discus in a separate thread, but the reality is it is a safety net we would all want there if we fell on hard times.

I assume you have not read any of his other posts.

bluenoseam

Right gay_guy, here's a little truth for you, I want to wake up tomorrow morning with Hayley Williams under one arm & Chloe Bennet under the other, a Bugatti in the drive, a billion quid in the bank & the winning lottery numbers for the next 10 years. Sad truth is that's not going to happen any time in the next billion years - what I want and what I get are two totally different things.

If you want to be a little more realistic, I want a full time job as a store manager somewhere - but here's the kicker, that's incredibly difficult to come by these days. As a result I am willing to do whatever it takes to avoid being on the dole, so I have a part time job - after all that's better than going down and dealing with the imbiciles at the Job Centre. (Oh for the record, I'm entitled to sign on, I don't so as to not have to deal with them!)

You've been offered a shot at something which could lead to a job but you turned it down because you "don't want to be on your feet all day" and "want a job in admin". If it were up to me your sanction would end 1/6/2017 - the full three years for being a workshy, lazy, deliberately provocative fool! You do nothing but give them opportunities to sanction you, you complain when they do & it's never your fault, always everyone elses, here's some more truth for you, people like you are the reason why the general population think everyone on the dole is a jerk! People like you are the reason why people like me want to part of JSA because we don't want lumped in with people of your ilk - but no doubt you'll write this off as me trolling. PATHETIC.

haras_nosirrah

The fact of the matter is that money = choice

at the moment you have no choice. If you take a job even if it means standing up and proving yourself then you start to earn money and with it comes choices.

They say it is much easier to get a job when you have a job and that is undoubtably true - if you take a job there is nothing to stop you doing an admin course (which you can then fund) and applying for other work.

Otherwise you may find that you will still be on benefits in 10 years as that perfect job never did land on your lap

There is a saying - if you always do what you've always done then you'll always win what you've always won.

At the moment your approach isn't getting you very far so why not try something different and it may lead somewhere - you won't know unless you try

szam_

gay_guy wrote: »

Yes it is hard work, even my Job Centre advisor admit it to me that its really hard work.

A bit of hard work never hurt anyone, although just because your adviser say's it's hard work, doesn't mean it actually is.

You don't just walk in to your "preferred" job without a bit of hard work prior to it.

You want a well paid job in 5-10 years time? You work for it.

Put in minimum effort? You get minimum/no reward or progression.

I'll let you in on something, I once worked two 20 hour shifts with a 4 hour rest gap between. This on the back of a week working 8 till 8 preparing a system, so 4 days of 12 hours plus Friday and Saturday 8am-4am.

I didn't do it because I had to, I did it to leave a good impression on my employers, clients, and something to discuss in interviews should I need a new job. Did it help in securing future work after I was made redundant? Like you wouldn't believe - twice in a month - 2 interviews, 2 job offers.

quidsy

Originally Posted by gay_guy
Yes it is hard work, even my Job Centre advisor admit it to me that its really hard work.


He worked there did he?

Someone else posted their actual friend DOES work there & loves it.

whitewing

Do the work experience, it is normal to be tired and achey after a few shifts. My friend works in an office of a retail environment (ie sitting down) but he only got that job as he had experience.

szam_

quidsy wrote: »

Originally Posted by gay_guy
Yes it is hard work, even my Job Centre advisor admit it to me that its really hard work.


He worked there did he?

Someone else posted their actual friend DOES work there & loves it.

JC advisers are the new authority on everything, everywhere... ever, don't you know?