When is a 'new' car not new?

jaydeeuk1

If I was the OP and was expecting to be first registered keeper on a new car and I wasn't, I'd be a bit upset. Not to the point of wanting to take them to court, but I'd want something.


How about they offer GAP insurance for the first year FoC? Because as per my post above, if you have an insurance claim they will look at it as a 2nd owner vehicle, not 'brand new' and therefore you'll be paid at market value, not given a brand new car should the need occur (or at least without a fight)

nobbysn*ts

jimjames wrote: »

Yep. How much newer can you get? I guess you could collect from the factory but mileage could well still be the same.

If I buy a TV from a shop and leave it in the box without opening, I then sell it on Ebay as new. No-one would ever question that it wasn't new, this is the same situation. The car has never been driven by anyone else so it is a new car. Their documentation should make it clear that the V5 is not immediately available though.

And you'd expect the price the shop sells it as new? Or maybe you'd settle for less and actually sell it on?

Joe_Horner

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

And you'd expect the price the shop sells it as new? Or maybe you'd settle for less and actually sell it on?

Jim's analogy isn't quite right.

It's more like if you buy a brand new, unused, TV in its box from a shop then it's still new even though the shop "bought" and "owned" it before you - suppliers don't just give the things to shops you know!

nobbysn*ts

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Jim's analogy isn't quite right.

It's more like if you buy a brand new, unused, TV in its box from a shop then it's still new even though the shop "bought" and "owned" it before you - suppliers don't just give the things to shops you know!

And that's what the op bought. Brand new, unused, still in the box. What he got, was the brand new, unused, still in the box, off Jim on ebay. But at the shop price, and Jim didn't tell him until later it was off ebay.

Joe_Horner

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

And that's what the op bought. Brand new, unused, still in the box. What he got, was the brand new, unused, still in the box, off Jim on ebay. But at the shop price, and Jim didn't tell him until later it was off ebay.

No he didn't. he got brand new, unused (apart from an unusually low delivery mileage), from the "shop" - who had bought it from the manufacturer, just like Dixons buy their TV stock from Sony.

I buy my watches from the makers' UK agents, or from wholesalers and I sell NEW watches, not second-owner ones (although I do have some of those as well), even though I currently own them all myself.

Tesco will happily sell you a new packet of loo roll (no-one would want second hand), but that packet has already been owned by the company who makes it and by Tesco before you buy it "new".

The simple fact is, unless you make something yourself it will ALWAYS be owned by someone else before you. What matters is whether or not they've used it.

nobbysn*ts

Joe_Horner wrote: »

No he didn't. he got brand new, unused (apart from an unusually low delivery mileage), from the "shop" - who had bought it from the manufacturer, just like Dixons buy their TV stock from Sony.

I buy my watches from the makers' UK agents, or from wholesalers and I sell NEW watches, not second-owner ones (although I do have some of those as well), even though I currently own them all myself.

Tesco will happily sell you a new packet of loo roll (no-one would want second hand), but that packet has already been owned by the company who makes it and by Tesco before you buy it "new".

The simple fact is, unless you make something yourself it will ALWAYS be owned by someone else before you. What matters is whether or not they've used it.

So, you're saying every car sold is always pre reg to the garage selling it, and every new owner is always the second, as that's just how it works? And you're serious? And the op should be happy? So you really register all your watches to you, send off all the guarantees in your name, and then transfer them as new to the new owner, and that's just how new works, as you own them all?

bartelbe

AdrianC wrote: »

The car was built to his spec, delivered straight from factory to UK franchise dealer to OP, with 8 miles on the clock, and registered on the morning of delivery.

An attitude which gives car dealers, and I assume you are in the trade, a bad name. Most ordinary members of the public expect if they buy a new car, that the car starts with a blank slate, and they are the first keeper.

If you don't think this is a problem, then there is an easy solution. Before anyone in the trade sells a pre-registered car, they tell the buyer it is pre-registered.

Joe_Horner

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

So, you're saying every car sold is always pre reg to the garage selling it

No, I'm not saying that, although registration and ownership are entrely separate things

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

[...] and every new owner is always the second, as that's just how it works?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. In fact, there may have been 3 or more owners before - the manufacturer, the importer and the dealer will all have "owned" it.

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

So you really register all your watches to you, send off all the guarantees in your name, and then transfer them as new to the new owner, and that's just how new works, as you own them all?

No, that's not how it works because I can't think of a single watch company apart from a few of the prestige brands that requires you to send anything back to them fpr the guarantee, and there's no national register of watches in case you hadn't noticed?

colino

OK OP, what was the list price of the car and what did you pay?

nobbysn*ts

Joe_Horner wrote: »

No, I'm not saying that, although registration and ownership are entrely separate things


Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. In fact, there may have been 3 or more owners before - the manufacturer, the importer and the dealer will all have "owned" it.



No, that's not how it works because I can't think of a single watch company apart from a few of the prestige brands that requires you to send anything back to them fpr the guarantee, and there's no national register of watches in case you hadn't noticed?

So what you're saying is your analogy doesn't work then, and can't compare here as you now say cars are totally different to watches?