Can JC staff ask you to look at your emails?

sh1981

111222 wrote: »

Just been to a signing on, I filled in both JC booklets, one thin grey book and one thicker white booklet with all my job searches.

Some of the job searches were made on gumtree and I didn't get any response so the JC worker said that she couldn't prove that I had applied for any jobs, I did apply for a couple through the UJS, and she pretty much demanded that I log into my email and show me my sent mail box, what is the legal stance on this(Scotland - assume it's the same for Britain), anyway i did apply for 3 jobs this morning about an hour before signing on, and showed her these. However I didn't have any evidence of any other applications. So she has put me in for a sanction/suspension.

I did show her my sent items but felt it was pressured, can I do anything about this?

They can see it. They have legal rights for surveillance and everything its perfectly legal. After all they're giving the money.

dippy3103

sh1981 wrote: »

They can see it. They have legal rights for surveillance and everything its perfectly legal. After all they're giving the money.

Actually they don't have any right to surveillance. Survelliance is tightly regulated by the Regulation of Investigatiory Powers Act 2000 and has to be for the prevention and detection of crime or terrorism etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000

If you don't produce the evidence they deem appropriate to prove you are looking for work then they sanction you. No investigation at all.


I was a signing clerk in 1991- it all sounds so much harsher now. Think it probably too lax back then, but it's gone from one extreme to the other now. Not a job I'd want to do in the modern JCP that's fir sure

sh1981

dippy3103 wrote: »

Actually they don't have any right to surveillance. Survelliance is tightly regulated by the Regulation of Investigatiory Powers Act 2000 and has to be for the prevention and detection of crime or terrorism etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000

If you don't produce the evidence they deem appropriate to prove you are looking for work then they sanction you. No investigation at all.


I was a signing clerk in 1991- it all sounds so much harsher now. Think it probably too lax back then, but it's gone from one extreme to the other now. Not a job I'd want to do in the modern JCP that's fir sure

From the link YOU posted:

• a county council or district council in England, a London borough council, the Common Council of the City of London in its capacity as a local authority, the Council of the Isles of Scilly, and any county council or county borough council
• in Wales

Lists HMRC too.

as does DWP.

dippy3103

Yes, but only for the purposes of the prevention and detection of crime.

Not applying for enough jobs is not a criminal offence.

mro

sh1981 wrote: »

They can see it. They have legal rights for surveillance and everything its perfectly legal. After all they're giving the money.

:doh:

What a load of nonsense.

missapril75

dippy3103 wrote: »

I was a signing clerk in 1991- it all sounds so much harsher now. Think it probably too lax back then, but it's gone from one extreme to the other now. Not a job I'd want to do in the modern JCP that's fir sure

I was an advisor up to 2003 - new claims in the morning and restarts in the afternoon.

Glad I got out when I did. I was already becoming target fatigued then, and that was when nobody took any notice of individual ones. Only district ones mattered.

I had an email from someone still in DWP the other day. He told me he has to leave his conscience at home each day.


So much to do with government goes from one extreme to the other.

dippy3103

missapril75 wrote: »

I was an advisor up to 2003 - new claims in the morning and restarts in the afternoon.

Glad I got out when I did. I was already becoming target fatigued then, and that was when nobody took any notice of individual ones. Only district ones mattered.

I had an email from someone still in DWP the other day. He told me he has to leave his conscience at home each day.


So much to do with government goes from one extreme to the other.

It was my first ever job. It's fair to say it was an eye opener

red_devil

Your advisor is another power crazy bully sadly.

Morlock

111222 wrote: »

Just been to a signing on, I filled in both JC booklets, one thin grey book and one thicker white booklet with all my job searches.

That's all you need, no other evidence is required:

Original FOI request and an extract from the DWP response:

"190. The evidence of jobsearch produced when they attend to have their regular reviews may be in various forms:

• information they have provided from their Universal Jobmatch account;

• evidence in writing from employers, employ ment agencies, or other organisations which they have contacted;

• copies of letters they have sent to employers;

• the claimant’s un-corroborated written evidence, for example an ES4;

• the claimant’s verbal evidence

• evidence from previous Jobsearch Reviews recorded on LMS."

PDF response

FluffyDuck3

Morlock wrote: »

That's all you need, no other evidence is required:

Original FOI request and an extract from the DWP response:

"190. The evidence of jobsearch produced when they attend to have their regular reviews may be in various forms:

• information they have provided from their Universal Jobmatch account;

• evidence in writing from employers, employ ment agencies, or other organisations which they have contacted;

• copies of letters they have sent to employers;

• the claimant’s un-corroborated written evidence, for example an ES4;

• the claimant’s verbal evidence

• evidence from previous Jobsearch Reviews recorded on LMS."

PDF response

Doesn't that mean that someone could lie about what they've done and not have to back it up? And someone who is honest but has actually done more could put themselves at risk of being sanctioned.