is it considered "loading" if you are depositing money ?

dada44

okay - thankyou for your responses.

i am asking a general question of parking signs and rules - to avoid a parking ticket of this nature. so i want to know if it is legal and allowed, to park in a loading bay, to deposit cash in a cash machine.

i have actually received tickets for this, twice. it was in england, given by the council. however, the council probably did not know i was depositing cash (it was at night), and i did not challenge it at the time (the ticket did not go to me, otherwise i would have).

i am more curious to know the law, rather than about the specific tickets i got, so i know what's allowed and what isn't for the future (and am curious about the past tickets). thanks

Coupon-mad

Yes is the answer - it is allowed as long as it's not a 'goods vehicles only' loading bay. You can also park on double or single yellow lines to load/unload for a short time, as long as there are no 'kerb blips' (indicating 'no loading'!). A valuable package such as money being put into a night safe is certainly good reason to 'unload' and to have to park near the premises.

Why not ask your local Council for a link to their Parking Charter/policy document on PCN enforcement, if it's not linked on their website, or ask them for their definition of 'loading/unloading' and their policy on observation of a car in a loading bay.

You got past PCNs because the CEO didn't see you - but you could have appealed and WOULD have won at adjudication if you were genuinely unloading and parked in a normal loading bay for any vehicle. The fact the CEO doesn't see you is why the PCN was issued - but NOT a reason not to cancel the PCN at a later appeal stage (they never cancel first time!).

nobbysn*ts

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Yes is the answer - it is allowed as long as it's not a 'goods vehicles only' loading bay. You can also park on double or single yellow lines to load/unload for a short time, as long as there are no 'kerb blips' (indicating 'no loading'!). A valuable package such as money being put into a night safe is certainly good reason to 'unload' and to have to park near the premises.

Why not ask your local Council for a link to their Parking Charter/policy document on PCN enforcement, if it's not linked on their website, or ask them for their definition of 'loading/unloading' and their policy on observation of a car in a loading bay.

You got past PCNs because the CEO didn't see you - but you could have appealed and WOULD have won at adjudication if you were genuinely unloading and parked in a normal loading bay for any vehicle. The fact the CEO doesn't see you is why the PCN was issued - but NOT a reason not to cancel the PCN at a later appeal stage (they never cancel first time!).

It wasn't money being put into a night safe, it's specifically stopping to use an ATM asked about here. Are you still sure it's permissible to stop on double yellow lines to use an ATM, even if it's to put a cheque in, rather than get cash out? Bear in mind the council will know what sort of machine the bank have, and personal customers don't normally have access to the night safe, so it would be unwise to try it on? I agree if it's a night safe, I used to double park when I needed to use one if I had to, let alone worry about yellow lines.

nigelbb

By the same logic if you can stop on DYLs to unload a cheque into an ATM then it's OK to stop & load up with cash from the ATM.

nobbysn*ts

nigelbb wrote: »

By the same logic if you can stop on DYLs to unload a cheque into an ATM then it's OK to stop & load up with cash from the ATM.

Only in a BNW or Audi with the hazard lights on!

nigelbb

nigelbb wrote: »

By the same logic if you can stop on DYLs to unload a cheque into an ATM then it's OK to stop & load up with cash from the ATM.

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

Only in a BNW or Audi with the hazard lights on!

Plus two wheels up on the kerb!

esmerobbo

I would think its also a matter of security, if you are depositing a few grand I suppose it would be more persuasive then depositing a tenner to cover the cheque you sent little Johnny for his birthday.

Coupon-mad

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

It wasn't money being put into a night safe, it's specifically stopping to use an ATM asked about here. Are you still sure it's permissible to stop on double yellow lines to use an ATM, even if it's to put a cheque in, rather than get cash out? Bear in mind the council will know what sort of machine the bank have, and personal customers don't normally have access to the night safe, so it would be unwise to try it on? I agree if it's a night safe, I used to double park when I needed to use one if I had to, let alone worry about yellow lines.

Oh I was thinking it was a big wedge of cash - effectively like a nightsafe situation.

You are right that 'using a cashpoint' isn't loading though!

DCodd

Leeds Council say that only Security Vehicles can claim unloading/loading exemption when carrying valuables to and from a Bank.

see page 9 - http://www.leeds.gov.uk/docs/A-Z%20of%20Parking%20Rev%20Nov%202013.pdf

Not sure whether that is taken from any law or just Leeds Council's policy though?

Coupon-mad

Sounds like policy - because there's a 'key case' where a postal packet to or from a Post Office IS loading/unloading, so can't see much difference here TBH. It would be down to adjudication though.