Servicing with Forte system

photome

Just rung about a service, was given a price and then told if i dont want them to use the "forte" system products the cost would reduce by about £35

think it was engine flush, gas treatment, some lube, screen wash and something else i cant remember.

Whats that all about? I dont think I need any of those things and will be telling them that.

Its a Hyundai i30 just coming up to the end of its 5 year warranty and has main dealer serviced since new

What do the experts on here think

colino

While treatments like this come and go, Forte products are always mentioned by people recommended in The Good Garage Scheme. Oh, hang on, this biased, internet-based cabal, TGGS is owned by Forte!


Unfortunately whether you use Forte products or not is a bit like if you trust branded fuel or supermarket stuff. If you've paid the money, you'll convince yourself it's done some good.

photome

colino wrote: »

While treatments like this come and go, Forte products are always mentioned by people recommended in The Good Garage Scheme. Oh, hang on, this biased, internet-based cabal, TGGS is owned by Forte!


Unfortunately whether you use Forte products or not is a bit like if you trust branded fuel or supermarket stuff. If you've paid the money, you'll convince yourself it's done some good.

Thanks

I use supermarket fuel

Is there any need for these treatments at all wether they be forte or any unknown brand, as said my initial thinking is to save the £35

Iceweasel

I don't use supermarket fuel and yes there is a need for such treatments - but - not without there being an obvious need.

The Forte Injector Cleaner is considered to be pretty effective.

Perhaps that was the one you can't remember.

If you car is down on power and the air and fuel filters have been recently changed then by all means I would suggest adding a bottle of Forte Injector Cleaner to the tank.

I wouldn't go for the £35 option unless I felt I needed it either.

Joe_Horner

photome wrote: »

Thanks

I use supermarket fuel

Is there any need for these treatments at all wether they be forte or any unknown brand, as said my initial thinking is to save the £35

Honestly, no need at all.

They're not quite "snake oil", in that they do have the claimed effect of reducing deposits etc. BUT the deposits etc are generally a non-issue in the first place. Modern fuels (even supermarket ones) in modern engine burn very cleanly, so they're "curing" a problem that doesn't exist.

Even in the good old days you could happily go 80k miles or more without having problems from that nasty-looking (but generally harmless) carbon build-up. The days of engines needing de-coking every few 10s of k miles ended by the 50s and things have only got better since then.

It's another of those tribal memories that continues because "everyone knows it because their parents did" - ripe pickings for salesmen!

colino

They are absolutely garbage, no use at all, snake oil rubbish. Ask a genuine, known to you, engineer about the varnish laid down on old lines by fuel or oil and what you really, physically have to do to remove them
A quick spritz with anything will not do the trick.
Put your own postcode into TGGS and count how many dubious, shylock greasers come up.

photome

I had never heard of TGGS, I did put my postcode in and the garage I have had the quote from are not on the list, I couldnt see any main dealers on the list, mostly smaller garages

Stoke

I'll just add to this debate that earlier this year, after 118k miles, I decided to try Forte engine flush. I spoke to an expert who suggested that unlike other engine flushes, you should actually drive with Forte as it has lubricating properties and isn't just pure ethanol like some of them, therefore will be more effective. He said anything up to 100 miles would be safe and told me to look online. He also said Forte have an engine protection guarantee in place. Not sure how that works.

Anyway, cutting a long story short, after 80-90 miles, I dropped my oil and what came out was the thickest nastiest oil I've ever dropped from a car. There were physical lumps of KFC dropping into my oil drain pan. The car runs significantly smoother now and idles better.

Just my experience.

photome

Thanks all I am going to decline the "extras"

Joe_Horner

And that's the MSE answer

bigjl

These are trade only.products mainly.

I have read good reports on them in trade magazines.

No matter how good fuel quality is there will always be build.ups that you don't want.

I would use Forte products.

But i would likely buy them online, i did see them fpr sale once but forget website name.

5th Gear did a test on Redex with a Corrado, using a rolling road, average of three runs each time.

They got a decent improvement in power after the treatment, they also run kt for a few hundred miles if i remember correctly.

I remember Jason Plato being surprised at the improvement.

I have DPF cleaners and Cataclean and Cataclean Soot over the years and the emissions on both my dpf equipped vehicles is very good. Even though they do lots of town miles and are both past 100k miles.

I also buy Redex in Costco as it is just over £10 for 4x500ml bottles.

If people.chose to believe these products are snake oil that is fine.

But remember Eloys fluid works in a very similar way to these dpf cleaners. And merely help to regen in urban use.

The only.proof i can offer that Cataclean does indeed clean the Cat is that my Jag dpf light came on the day after i added it, meaning it was full.of soot.

A run down the motorway sorted it out and it has been needing less regen runs of late.

In fact a recent bout of motorway miles gave me 43mpg over 300 miles. Which isn't that bad for a car with so many miles.

The best fuel system cleaners are the ones that you put directly into the fuel filter as they are not diluted in any way.

Forte do one of these i think, i know Wynns definately do one as i have used it on a rough running Sportrak years ago, it certainly helped but it still had a very slight mis on tickover.