The Coming Zombie Robot Driving Apocalypse of You

Generali

cells wrote: »

The only lacking piece is the software and perhaps the computational power for the software to understand the imagines fed to it. And ince the siftware exists to copy it costs close to nil

My feeling is that the expensive cost is going to be:

1. getting this past the regulators
2. Getting the system secure: it's not going to be a great look when someone gets a demand for $1,000 to be paid before a hacker will open the doors

cells

Generali wrote: »

My feeling is that the expensive cost is going to be:

1. getting this past the regulators
2. Getting the system secure: it's not going to be a great look when someone gets a demand for $1,000 to be paid before a hacker will open the doors

The great thing about mass market technology is that there are over a hundred countries and it only takes one to say yes and the rest then have little room to dream silly reasons to stop or hinder it. In fact when they see the huge economic benefits they will want it themselves

I don't think security will be much of an issue on what will potentially be custom OS operating on custom chips. Also the cars can be Internet independant and have any updates physically installed. You can't hack my old desktop as it has no net connection and its only port to the outside world is not connected. You would need to get physical access to it to install anything and that is easy to secure with an old fashioned key and lock.

Generali

cells wrote: »

You would need to get physical access to it to install anything and that is easy to secure with an old fashioned key and lock.

Probably not that enticing if someone drives an old Toyota. If someone is riding a brand new Bentley then you might just want to break in electronically.

cells

aitrobus wrote: »

Possibly. But in the long run the Zombie Robot Driving Apocalypse will destroy the taxi market. When every car is driverless, every car is potentially a taxi.

I think it will go the other way. Self drive taxis will become so cheap that people will stop buying private cars in the volumes they do now.

So in the UK we currently have some 35m human cars and some 0.2m human taxis.

I think that might change to 10m robo-taxis and 10m human cars over a decade or two. Ultimately the UK fleet of 35m human cars might become just 15m robo cars and less than a million human cars.


This is assuming a robo taxi costs less than 50p a mile (human taxis cost about 150p a mile currently). I think robo taxis might fall below 30p a mile and maybe even below 15p a mile

cells

Generali wrote: »

Probably not that enticing if someone drives an old Toyota. If someone is riding a brand new Bentley then you might just want to break in electronically.

How would you get to a self drive car that sees all around itself and break in to its steel locked computer compartment without it running you over in self defense? Or just driving away? And sending all this vodeo to thr police

Hacking might be lucrative in its current form of volume attacks on humans to reveal financial details etc. But with robo cars it might be more akin to breaking into a bank to rob cash but this bank would be mobile and contain no cash and would stop functioning once its fuel ran out in about a day and at most maybe you can thieve a days taxi receipts.

antrobus

cells wrote: »

I think it will go the other way. Self drive taxis will become so cheap that people will stop buying private cars in the volumes they do now.....

So boom time for the car rental market, but it's still the end of the taxi market. The taxi market as we know it to day will cease to exist, and people will simply rent cars on a daily, hourly, whatever basis as they see fit.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

My feeling is that the expensive cost is going to be:

1. getting this past the regulators
2. Getting the system secure: it's not going to be a great look when someone gets a demand for $1,000 to be paid before a hacker will open the doors

I still think that the re-fuelling problem has yet to be solved. At some point every driverless car is going to need it's battery recharged or its tank refilled. Y'ar all gonna need my robotised refulleing technology (patent pending).:)

antrobus

cells wrote: »

How would you get to a self drive car that sees all around itself and break in to its steel locked computer compartment without it running you over in self defense?....

Err, if you think the government is going to allow driverless cars run people over in any circumstances whatsoever, then you are crazier than a box of frogs.

cells wrote: »

... Or just driving away?

Apparently, all the driverless cars being tested in the UK are programed to stop for pedestrians and wait for them to move. So it won't be difficult to 'hijack' one.:)

cells wrote: »

..And sending all this vodeo to thr police

Not an insurmountable problem for even your average criminal.

cells wrote: »

....Hacking might be lucrative in its current form of volume attacks on humans to reveal financial details etc. But with robo cars it might be more akin to breaking into a bank to rob cash but this bank would be mobile and contain no cash and would stop functioning once its fuel ran out in about a day and at most maybe you can thieve a days taxi receipts.

Hacking, schmacking. You just disable the thing and strip it down for parts.

cells

antrobus wrote: »

So is only defineoom time for the car rental market, but it's still the end of the taxi market. The taxi market as we know it to day will cease to exist, and people will simply rent cars on a daily, hourly, whatever basis as they see fit.

Well a car rental vs a taxi is only different in the time duration eg a taxi is a rented car for perhaps sub 2 hours and often just 10-20mins.

these self drive cars will predominantly be that kind. Sub 20 mins so they will be taxis rather than very short duration rental cars

but either way whats the difference but a title

cells

antrobus wrote: »

I still think that the re-fuelling problem has yet to be solved. At some point every driverless car is going to need it's battery recharged or its tank refilled. Y'ar all gonna need my robotised refulleing technology (patent pending).:)

No big advantage in automating that as a human can probably fill 100 robo cars per hour and at £10ph wage thats only 10p to fill a car which will then do 1000 miles.

So human cost of a refill over a 150k mile life is only £15

whats more interesting is that if a taxi fleet operator with 5 milloon cars wants it could transition much more easily to other fuels eg lile CNG as there wouldn't be the chicken and egg problem. So we could see the future of robo cars as nat gas powered as nat gas is a lot cheaper and cleaner