daily signing at jobcentre

melysion

I have to say - the views of some of the people here towards the unemployed are sickening. "Social justice"? Really? The last time i looked we all lived in a society and I for one don't begrudge the tiny amount of tax I pay towards helping those without a job. And it is tiny. Just 2% of benefits are for JSA.

And it's always worth noting that noone is immune from unemployment. Some so called 'tax payers' on here could certainly do with a short skint on JSA - might open their eyes and teach them compassion.

Mr_Falling_Star

melysion wrote: »

I have to say - the views of some of the people here towards the unemployed are sickening. "Social justice"? Really? The last time i looked we all lived in a society and I for one don't begrudge the tiny amount of tax I pay towards helping those without a job. And it is tiny. Just 2% of benefits are for JSA.

And it's always worth noting that noone is immune from unemployment. Some so called 'tax payers' on here could certainly do with a short skint on JSA - might open their eyes and teach them compassion.

The people that are daily signers have been unemployed for three years, that is not a short stint. But you are right, I think I am right in saying that most people do sign off after being on JSA for a short period and that is fine, after all that is what it is there for. We are doing no one any favours by making them welfare dependent and hopefully this new policy will help bring about a change in attitudes towards JSA

melysion

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

The people that are daily signers have been unemployed for three years, that is not a short stint. But you are right, I think I am right in saying that most people do sign off after being on JSA for a short period and that is fine, after all that is what it is there for. We are doing no one any favours by making them welfare dependent and hopefully this new policy will help bring about a change in attitudes towards JSA

Noone wants to be welfare dependant. And signing on daily will not help. Job creation might. Getting employers to give long term unemployed a chance rather than not even consider them might. But that would mean actually helping them wouldn't it rather than punish.

This policy is nothing other than vindictive punishment and the average taxpayer loves that of course.

Mr_Falling_Star

melysion wrote: »

Noone wants to be welfare dependant. And signing on daily will not help. Job creation might. Getting employers to give long term unemployed a chance rather than not even consider them might. But that would mean actually helping them wouldn't it rather than punish.

This policy is nothing other than vindictive punishment and the average taxpayer loves that of course.

Where is the punishment in making go somewhere everyday to undertake a task...you know just like working people do. Daily signing will help as it will help those doing it (and remember they have not worked for three years) to get back into a pattern of having a task with a purpose. We cannot pay people to just sit at home.

timbo58

An awful lot of sweeping statements on both sides here that I can see.

I am afraid the tiny minority of claimants that have no intention of finding a job and (yes they really do!) want to be 'welfare dependant' have screwed it for the majority that this sort of action does no good whatsoever for.

Have to say that IMHO I'd rather the DWP had a vastly increased budget to hunt down the real thieves of the benefits systems with their 'cash in hand' and no attempt at REAL meaningful job seeking than thinking up hare brained schemes like this one appears to be.

Oh and once the DWP fraud people have hunted down the 'over claimants' let's not f**k about shall we? £10k worth of out and out theft should be at least 5 years inside, not paying it back at £10 a week and 200 hours community service.

gettingready

And guess who would be paying for those put for 5 years inside with warm bed, free food, tv, games etc?

Yup.. poor hardworking people again. The ones who SHOULD "share".

No, prison is not a solution - compulsory HARD work to work off STOLEN money would be.

gettingready

Ah, and those who claim it is hardship to get to somewhere/anywhere once per day...

How would they commute to work every day?

It takes me 1 hour 45 minutes each way to get to/from work, EVERY day, 5 days per week. On public transport that I pay a fortune for - with comforts like being squashed between sweaty people with backpacks hitting me, deafening music on their headphones, screaming kids, smelly food etc etc. And that is if I do get on the tube in rush hour and do not have to wait for 3-4 trains to go past before I manage to get on.

melysion

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

Where is the punishment in making go somewhere everyday to undertake a task...you know just like working people do. Daily signing will help as it will help those doing it (and remember they have not worked for three years) to get back into a pattern of having a task with a purpose. We cannot pay people to just sit at home.

We get paid for going to work, a real wage that we enjoy a certain quality of life with. A wage thats hugely greater than £71 a week for the most part.

JSA is NOT a wage. Its a payment that people have contributed to and therefore have a certain right to claim if they find the need to while looking for a new job.

Thats why we all pay NI.

Most people long term unemployed have paid into the system for years (in some cases decades) before finding themselves out of work. They have a certain right to take out what they put in. And long term unemployment can be due to a variety of factors and not due to laziness in any shape or form.

Would you like to live on £71 a week? No? Me neither. You dont think the long term unemployed have a unpleasant enough existence as it is, being cr*ped on regularly by the government and the job centre, with no money to do anything beyond eat and travel to the job centre, feeling rubbish about themselves, considering themselves useless, no self esteem, depression etc without us so called haloed "tax payers" rubbishing them too. Braying about "social justice" and "making them work" for a insanely small amount of money. Making their lives even more uncomfortable will achieve nothing - unless punishing them is the objective of course. They are no more likely to get work. It wont suddenly push them into finding employment. Theres little out there to bully them into. Not that many need the bullying - most WANT TO WORK.

Its rubbsh, Its all about kicking people when they are down.

And remember - NOONE is immune to losing their job and becoming long term unemployed though no choice of their own. Just ask the huge number of over 50s who have been unemployed since being made redundant 5 or so years ago after working (and paying into the system) for 30 years or more. I think these people have contributed enough dont you, to feel entitled to claim their money when their lives have turned to sh*t.

mattcanary

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

When I said social justice I meant justice for those that go to work and pay the taxes to support the long term unemployed. You know, those folk that get up at stupid o'clock to drag themselves to a job that they hate...those guys.

Social justice?
You haven't got a clue

MoneyWorry

Very well said Melysion and something which I was trying to get across in an earlier post.


I was made redundant earlier this year, am in my 50's but have found work within 9 weeks. That is due to a combination of luck and also I'm fairly savvy about how recruitment agencies work and how to get them to put me forward. And remember, recruitment agencies now dominate most of the job market. I've also not had to be proud and have taken a job with a much lower salary.


There are people out there who need help, primarily in how to get a job as the job market is completely different now to even 10 years ago. I firmly believe these people get sanctions, because they don't have the tools to avoid them.


Going to the JC is not a pleasant experience, but I would never expect to receive an increased amount of JSA, because I've been lucky enough to stay in work up until now. My JSA was used mainly for my petrol to ferry me round to interviews etc, everything else came out of savings.


Treat everyone fairly and with the assumption they're not lazy until they prove otherwise. Then sanction them properly and the employers who take advantage by paying people cash in hand.