proof of living somewhere

dippy3103

The o/p hasn't been back since he posted.. Strange.

missapril75

It's a bit of an odd thread title.

It's some conclusion jump to go from "not being in" a few times to sub letting to a third person.

Thread titles like this are usually about how can someone 'prove' they really are or were living somewhere - like having gas/electricity bills that they pay where the consumption reflects their occupancy.

As far as the job seeking angle goes, with what so many say about what's required of them and the sanctions they are faced with, it doesn't seem that believable.

NYM

I see a different angle...:undecided

I think that it is highly possible that you are sub-letting the flat and despite having all your mail delivered and it being your registered address for Doctors etc., from there, you have admitted that you live at home with your Mum.

I don't know what action 'they' (Housing Association/Local Authority ?) may take, but the only 'not fair' that I can see, is that you have a one-bed flat that could be let to a deserving couple that don't have the luxury of being able to live somewhere else.

6 years being on JSA suggests also that you are not taking your job seeking situation seriously, especially if you only apply for 5 or 6 jobs a week !

From other threads that I've read on here, JSA is undoubtedly insufficient to survive on and it is entirely possible that you supplement your JSA allowance from the cash income you get from your friends.

I hope you are investigated just as I would hope anyone sub-letting would be.

missapril75

nevermasked wrote: »

A few months ago I got a letter to say they had visited me at my place and got no answer and would I contact them. I ignored it

A bit rude.

NYM wrote: »

From other threads that I've read on here, JSA is undoubtedly insufficient to survive on

JSA is an income one can manage on - with good budgeting skills, an ability to shop economically, being fit enough to walk or cycle. And a lot of luck

It's also do-able if you're at your mum's five days a week, keeping warm and eating there. :rotfl:

nevermasked

Hi all

I am a bit surprised at the responses here. Please note that I have only claimed and got what I am entitled to. You dont get to decide what I am entitled to, the goverment does. I have complied with every course (waste of time) and requirement of me.

So to answer questions :

<The most sensible thing to do would be to give up your flat and move back in with your mum.>

Mum does not want that. She likes the fact I have somewhere else to live round the corner. I like it too. I am sure it makes sense from a bills point of view to lieve away, but she loves my company and I love hers. Its my mum.

<You would prefer to be with your Mum, your Mum would prefer to have you at home, so why are you renting elsewhere? Just to get housing benefit, which goes to pay rent for somewhere you don't want to be. Doesn't even make financial sense. Living at home, you could share the cost of utilities with your Mum and both of you save some money.>

See above. Why should we live together when we can have our own places yet enjoy time together.

The rent is fully paid in rent. I put a few quid on a key card for lecy etc which lasts. I am entitled to the house.

<Who is "they"? The landlord or housing benefit?>

The housing association visited me. Nosey neighbours said I had people over and played loud music. I did. On my birthday, once. Who has not played music loud on their birthday. Its my right to do this oin my own home.

<Not fair? That you are keeping a place from someone who really need the place when you are clearly just using it to have your parties during the week-ends whilst you let you ill mum do everything for you during the week.>

In my block there are more empty properties than filled,, so your wrong.

<What's not fair is that the taxpayer is forking out for your party pad while you sit on your backside at your mother's. You should be applying for a lot more than 5 or 6 jobs per week by the way.>

My agreement with my adviser is 6 a week. beleive me if I did not do this, I would not get JSA. I have never been sanctyioned or denied my money in over 6 years. Thats a record from what my friend says. I keep to my side of the bargain, I expect the government to so this as well.

<Six years on Job Seeker's Allowance?

Applying for five or six jobs a week?

Are there no pubs in your area? Care homes? Supermarkets?

Or does it just suit you to go to your Mum's and have parties at weekends?
>

Yes there are pubs, yes they are homes and shops.

Ho0wever they all want you to work long hours on 0 hour contracts. How does that work then? I would happily work 60 hours a week, but I need to know when/how.

All the shops have long waiting lists for work. Care Homes wont touch me due to my appearance (tattoos and long hear).

<I do hope this is a troll.>

One of the things my mum loves to do, and gets her off her chair is cooking and cleaning. ?Yes she cooks my tea and washes my clothes. Sheloves it, gives her a reason to get up. I have tried to stop her, but she says its important to her. Her doctor has said to us both its important for her to stay focussed on jobs she likes to do and move.

<Actually, having read this again that really doesn't ring true. We all know how long the lists are for social housing. Especially if you already have accommodation. Far more than a year.....?

There are lots of empty places in my block.

<I would like to think it is a wind up, but the reality is that there are many young people who have been brought to think there is nothing wrong with the situation OP is, and therefore are very happy to adopt it as a lifestyle since they can get away with it.>

I am real. I am only getting what I am entitled to!

<The o/p hasn't been back since he posted.. Strange.>

I have been vback but due to driving mum to the doctors, signing on and taking mum to the post office I could not reply.

<It's a bit of an odd thread title.

It's some conclusion jump to o go from "not being in" a few times to sub letting to a third person.>

So my friend stays over from time to time. When he answered he was asked for ID and handed it over. My issue seems to be proving I live there. But UI have spent my time justifying here my position.

I am hoping that now I have answered them I will get the advice I asked for?

antrobus

nevermasked wrote: »

....A few months ago I got a letter to say they had visited me at my place and got no answer and would I contact them. I ignored it ...

Well, that was a mistake.

nevermasked wrote: »

.... and they sent another.

Eventually I spoke to someone and they said that they had visited my flat 4 times in a month, they said that that as I was not in they dont think I live there. They also said that one time who answered was not me. This was a friend who crashses there sometimes as he does not get on with his dad at home. ...

Be advised that a number of social housing landlords are rather concerned about the amount of 'illegal' subletting that goes on, and therefore take steps to identify it. Such as calling round at a property at random to see if the person they let the property to is actually there and not someone else.

It's also worth mentioning that the subletting of social housing can be prosecuted as a criminal offence these days.

nevermasked wrote: »

....they have accused me of renting the flat out which is wrong cos its not true. ...

I can't say I blame them. You ignored at least one letter, they've called around four times and the only time they got a response it wasn't from you.

nevermasked wrote: »

...How can I stop them and leave me alone....

Stop them doing what exactly?

poppasmurf_bewdley

nevermasked wrote: »

<Six years on Job Seeker's Allowance?

Applying for five or six jobs a week?

Are there no pubs in your area? Care homes? Supermarkets?

Or does it just suit you to go to your Mum's and have parties at weekends?
>

Yes there are pubs, yes they are homes and shops.

Ho0wever they all want you to work long hours on 0 hour contracts. How does that work then? I would happily work 60 hours a week, but I need to know when/how. What is wrong with long hours and zero hours contracts? If you genuinely wanted a job, these wouldn't stop you.

All the shops have long waiting lists for work. Is your name on the waiting list? Care Homes wont touch me due to my appearance (tattoos and long hear). Wear a long sleeve shirt and tie, and get your hair cut. Not rocket science.

I am hoping that now I have answered them I will get the advice I asked for?

These are genuine questions and points. As someone who was out of work for more than two years with a wife, two kids and a mortgage, and desperate for a job, I do know what it is like to be unemployed for a long time.

antrobus

Having had a quick look at the Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Act 2013 it would appear that if a tenant "parts with possession of the whole or part of the dwelling-house" and "ceases to occupy the dwelling-house" as their "only or principal home" then they are committing a criminal offence.

I honestly don't know whether or not, only spending weekends at a property would mean that you had ceased to occupy it as your principal home, or even if POSHFA applies to the OP. But I might go and ask CA or Shelter or someone similar who might know the answer.

specialboy

After reading the OPs reply ive come to the conclusion that we have a troll in our midst.

FBaby

You dont get to decide what I am entitled to, the goverment does.

And that is exactly what it is doing now. You seem to have a high sense of entitlement, but then again, it sounds like your mum is happy to spoil you, so why would you not expecting the same treatment from anyone else. Pity she is not teaching you that life is not just about how little you can do to enjoy what others can give you, but how much you can do so you can enjoy what you have earnt.