All Dog owners should be aware of these upcoming changes in the law

lazer

gettingready wrote: »

So should parents - understand public spaces are for everyone as are buses/tubes etc and not let their screeming/out of control kids bother other people.

Yet we do not say kids can only get on public transport (for example) between 10am and 4pm...

A child is a person, a human being, they are the next generation, the adults and workers of tomorrow.

Children sould never be compared with a dog.

Children Scream, they laugh, they shout they cry. Depending on the age of the child then perhaps yes the parent should control them better, however a 3 month old baby on a bus crying - nothing really the parent can do except try and pacify them.

A dog is a pet at the end of the day - whereas children are our future.

ali-t

BigJockKnew wrote: »

So glad I live in Scotland......The law is a joke in England and Wales.

The law has been in place in Scotland for a couple of years. I have seen it implemented in quite a strange way and there has been an influx of pensioners in court as a result of their dogs (east Scotland) rather than the Ned's that I expected.

I even had the dog wardens round to my house citing the legislation a couple of years ago when I moved house as a neighbour raised concerns that my devil dogs would escape - this is despite them being behind 7' fencing that I had put in when I moved.

It will be interesting to see how the similar legislation rolls out in England.

Person_one

kathrynha wrote: »

I should really be able to use my local parks which I contribute towards through my taxes.

The thing is, you can use them, nobody is actually stopping you. Loads of non dog owners use parks despite the presence of dogs, go on a nice sunny day in August and you'll see!

I really do feel for people with a genuine phobia of dogs, because they are everywhere, and there could be one round every corner potentially. However, surely a better solution would be to treat your phobia so that you don't have to restrict yourself in this way?

gettingready

lazer wrote: »

A child is a person, a human being, they are the next generation, the adults and workers of tomorrow.

Children sould never be compared with a dog.

Children Scream, they laugh, they shout they cry. Depending on the age of the child then perhaps yes the parent should control them better, however a 3 month old baby on a bus crying - nothing really the parent can do except try and pacify them.

A dog is a pet at the end of the day - whereas children are our future.

Oh yes, the one being over another story - sorry but I do not buy it.

To me, every live being is worth the same and has/should have the same rights.

Humans the better species?

Laughable..

Perhaps watch:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/earthlings/

lazer

gettingready wrote: »

Oh yes, the one being over another story - sorry but I do not buy it.

To me, every live being is worth the same and has/should have the same rights.

Humans the better species?

Laughable..

Perhaps watch:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/earthlings/

Do you kill the fleas on your dog?

lostinrates

lazer wrote: »

A child is a person, a human being, they are the next generation, the adults and workers of tomorrow.

Children sould never be compared with a dog.

Children Scream, they laugh, they shout they cry. Depending on the age of the child then perhaps yes the parent should control them better, however a 3 month old baby on a bus crying - nothing really the parent can do except try and pacify them.

A dog is a pet at the end of the day - whereas children are our future.

I tend to think well of my species, but this kind of thing makes me a bit weary frankly. Sme children are our future, but we are certainly not a benevolent species treating our world well. Perhaps were we more controlled in reproduction and behaviour and want then I'd feel differently.

Tbc, I like children, and while crying on a bus is annoying, its fair, they are expressing themselves. As you say, children shout, cry, laugh and sometimes people's intolerance is depressing.


Children shout, cry laugh.p, and are taught with patience social acceptability. .....just as children cry, dogs run, play, and bark, and with the same time and guidance learn their social limits in our world.

Not all children will be productive members of society. Some dogs are. Most, like most people, just want to get on with life having fun.

lazer

lostinrates wrote: »

I tend to think well of my species, but this kind of thing makes me a bit weary frankly. Sme children are our future, but we are certainly not a benevolent species treating our world well. Perhaps were we more controlled in reproduction and behaviour and want then I'd feel differently.

Tbc, I like children, and while crying on a bus is annoying, its fair, they are expressing themselves. As you say, children shout, cry, laugh and sometimes people's intolerance is depressing.


Children shout, cry laugh.p, and are taught with patience social acceptability. .....just as children cry, dogs run, play, and bark, and with the same time and guidance learn their social limits in our world.

Not all children will be productive members of society. Some dogs are. Most, like most people, just want to get on with life having fun.

People comparing children to dogs makes me weary, and i wouldn't have posted this if someone hadn't made the comparison.

lostinrates

lazer wrote: »

People comparing children to dogs makes me weary, and i wouldn't have posted this if someone hadn't made the comparison.

The point is that not everyone is of one opinion as to the benefits humanity.

I've just been out with one of my dogs ( who is a working dog as well as a pet). So today HE contributed something.

kathrynha

Person_one wrote: »

The thing is, you can use them, nobody is actually stopping you. Loads of non dog owners use parks despite the presence of dogs, go on a nice sunny day in August and you'll see!

I really do feel for people with a genuine phobia of dogs, because they are everywhere, and there could be one round every corner potentially. However, surely a better solution would be to treat your phobia so that you don't have to restrict yourself in this way?

I have over the years worked on dealing with my phobia, and I am now ok with well trained dogs that don't run up to strangers barking and jumping up at them.

As a young child I wasn't scared of dogs, but having been attacked by a dog aged 9, while just walking past it, that the owner claimed wouldn't hurt a flea, despite me having a chunk missing from my leg, I developed the phobia, which is a rational one based on my experience.

It isn't something you can treat, and suggesting it is, is blaming the phobia suffering, rather the cause of the phobia, which is irresponsible dog owners.

GracieP

Here's the thing. Whether humans or dogs are 'better' is irrelevant. The simple fact is that both of our species only exist in our current forms because of the other. We formed a symbiotic, mutually beneficial partnership many millennia ago to the significant benefit of us both. Without the greatly increased hunting and later livestock farming ability our ancestors gained through use of domesticated dogs, we would never, ever have had the successes we had a species. Not one single one of us would be alive today without dogs.

Beyond that debt we owe them, the thing with evolution is that we adapt to our surroundings in a way that is of greatest benefit to us and by living with dogs we also improved our immune systems fairly significantly. Even today living without dogs in our homes has a deleterious effect on our health. Dog owners live for an average of 3 years longer than non-dog owners. And those three years are healthy years. Dog owners have dramatically lower rates of heart disease, heart attack, stroke and certain cancers. In cases where they do suffer from those illnesses they have much better outcomes. Other, less life threatening but lifestyle impacting illnesses like arthritis, eczema and asthma all have lower incidences in dog owners and better outcomes in those who do suffer. Mental health is better in dog owners, especially rates and severity of depression.

But what about the children? all the Helen Lovejoys ask. Well anybody who actually gives a damn about the health and wellbeing of children would be working hard to ensure that children have as much interaction with dogs as possible (except obviously in cases of children with specific illnesses). Children who, in the first year of their lives, live with dogs who are allowed normal dog interactions, have massively lowered rates of many common allergies. And 6 times less incidences of common childhood illnesses like ear infections, colds, chest and throat infections, etc. Their immune system matures faster and while the long-term effects have yet to be studied, as it's a new discovery, these effects hold up for at least the first 9 years.

So anybody who thinks that the irrational fear of a minority is a good reason to curtail dog ownership need to realise that they would cause my son and children like him, to be ill 5 extra times for every illness they have. People like my dad to have their arthritis severely curtail their mobility, almost everyone I love and at least half of our population to drastically increase their rates of serious illness, to have less years of life to look forward to. Thousands of people to fall further into depression. Billions more to have to be spent on our health services. And the elderly dog owners in their last few years of life to just die now.

People need to realise that humans don't exist in a vacuum and just as bees are terrifying to some but almost every living thing on this planet would die without them. Not living in constant close quarters with dogs will have a much less drastic but nonetheless really quite significant impact on the overall health of our society.