G24 now Debt recovery?

cyclingsimon

message received and sent!

bod1467

And then just ignore (but file away) any further correspondence from both DR+ and G24.

cyclingsimon

Hi Guys the saga continues received this (below) today though I'd already sent them details as previously advised (copies to both them and G24) ??? I hope she doesnt assume that the clock is'nt to be reset does she????



About your parking charge
Thank you for your recent communication in which you told me that you were not the driver of the vehicle at the time the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) was issued.

What you need to do now
So I can contact the driver for payment of the amount due, please let me know their name and address. Please let me have these details by 23rd May 2014.

What if you do not know who the driver of the vehicle was
As you are the registered keeper of the vehicle, I am assuming that it was being driven with your consent and that you will therefore know who the driver was.
If you do not provide details of the driver by the date show above, we will continue to contact you for payment of the parking charge.

You can pay the £150.00 due online or by phone. Go to https://www.debtrecoveryplus.co.uk or phone 0844 561 0965. You can find full details of how to pay on the reverse of the letter(s) sent to you.

What will happen if you do not name the driver of the vehicle or make payment
If you do not name the driver or pay the full amount by the date shown above, I will pass your case to our legal team, who will consider taking legal action to recover what is due.
If the matter progresses to court and you continue to deny being the driver, a court order may be requested which would compel you to provide the driver details (see “More Information” section below).

More information
• You should note that if this matter does proceed to court, it may be requested that a Norwich Pharmacal Order [Norwich Pharmacal Co. v Customs and Excise Commissioners [1974]] be issued by the Court so that the correct driver details would have to be provided.
• Under the Pre-Action Protocol of the Civil Procedural Rules, court action must only be viewed as a last resort. By requesting the driver’s details we are attempting to avoid this outcome.


Kind Regards

Hannah Johnson
Collections Department

Umkomaas

A Norwich Pharmacal Order would cost them thousands, would not be recoverable and would be utterly out of proportion to the value of any PCN claim.

Further empty threats and more evidence of intimidation and harassment.

ColliesCarer

This is from the Debt Collection agency.

They can do nothing and that includes issuing court proceedings or the notice to driver both of which would have to come from G24 not DRP+.

You have informed G24 of the driver's name and address and so have discharged the keeper's liability under POFA 2012.

Now you should

1/ Stop communicating with DRP+ and ignore all further correspondence from them - though keep it all. They will eventually refer it back to G24 when they realise their tactics are not working.

2/Wait for G24 to

a) contact the driver - if they don't then that's up to them and there is nothing further you can do.

b) issue an LBCCC or court papers to you - As already mentioned G24 have not taken anyone to court over an unpaid PCN so far. You would be extremely unlucky to be the first.

Hot_Bring

Dear Hannah,

PCN ref xxxxx, registration number xxxxx

As the Registered Keeper has already made clear the driver was xxxxxxxx and they can be contacted at the following address xxxxxxxx.

If G24 and DR+ had actually been professional you would have acted on the information the first time it was provided. The Registered Keeper has now wasted more than enough time on your pathetic little scam and will not respond to any further correspondence now you yet again have the drivers details.

Regards,

The Registered Keeper

cyclingsimon

Sent! Fantastic thanks Guys they are indeed truly pathetic.

johnb80

Hot_Bring wrote: »

Firstly send an email to DRP ( I'm guessing G24 must have changed their debt collectors ) saying that the debt is denied and that they must return it to their client. Point out that no further correspondence will be entered into with them and should they contact you again it will be considered harassment.

Then send the following to G24 :

Dear G24,

This is an appeal against the charge issued to the vehicle with the registration XXXXXX, charge reference XXXX.

It is the registered keepers assertion that :

1. The charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss.
2. The signage does not conform to the BPA CoP to which G24 has committed.
3. G24 has no authority to issue charges over the land in question.
4. You have failed to adhere to your promise that the charge had been cancelled.

As such the charge is rejected. You should now either cancel said charge or provide a POPLA code for the registered keeper to appeal to the independent adjudicator.

Any further correspondence other than confirmation of cancellation or a POPLA code will be considered harassment and could result in legal action being taken against you.

Yours,

Print name ( don't sign ).

Does anyone have an email address for G24 please, non is displayed on their website.

Thanks - John

Hot_Bring

johnb80 wrote: »

Does anyone have an email address for G24 please, non is displayed on their website.

Thanks - John

http://www.g24.co.uk/contact-us.aspx - just fill in the form.

Coupon-mad

cyclingsimon wrote: »

Hi just received this email from debt recovery:

About your parking charge
Thank you for your recent communication regarding the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN).
As per the British Parking Association’s (BPA) Code of Practice, Point 22.7, the driver/keeper/hirer was allowed 28 days from the date the PCN was issued and/or 28 days from the date the Notice to Keeper was sent to challenge the PCN. The time to challenge the charge has now expired.

However, in order to resolve this matter, I will offer the following comments as to why this PCN was correctly issued and is still payable.

My findings
The site in question is subject to terms and conditions, which are stated on signs throughout the area. As these terms were breached on the date in question, a PCN was correctly and legitimately issued.
The terms were breached because the vehicle was parked for longer than the time allowed on the site.

Harassment
Within the correspondence harassment has also been referred to and therefore I feel obliged to point out that under S1(3)(c) of The Harassment Act 1997, a course of conduct that someone alleges to be harassment will not be deemed so if the person who pursued it shows that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable.
Under the circumstances our course of action has been entirely reasonable and in no way reaches the high threshold of harassment. Our company has legitimately pursued recompense for a breach of the terms and conditions attached to our client’s site.

What you need to do now
Please pay £150.00 by 22nd May 2014. You can pay online or by phone. Go to www.debtrecoveryplus.co.uk or phone 0844 561 0965. You can find full details of how to pay on the reverse of the letter(s) sent to you.

What will happen if you do not pay what you owe
If you do not pay the amount by the date shown above, I will pass your case to our legal team, who will consider taking legal action to recover what is due.

What if you do not agree
Although any correspondence that does not provide further evidence will be noted and retained, I cannot guarantee that we will reply to it.

Kind Regards

Hannah Johnson
Collections Department

Why do we have so many current unneeded threads about these letters? Every third thread I am clicking on tonight on the forum is regurgitating these tedious letters again and again. Here's another, please spare us a blow by blow account of every standard threatogram. We know they are 'new' to you but for the sake of a forum search of the single keyword 'Recovery':

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/65489750#Comment_65489750

With the best replies in the World you won't stop the letter chain, but who cares? You are wasting your time worrying about it and posting about it and replying to them. This is a letter chain people have ignored for YEARS before POPLA ever existed. You missed a trick over POPLA, ''so what, it's only DRP and G24'' is the reply!

Try this as a Google search (it will do the search itself):

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Debt+Recovery+Plus+too+late+for+POPLA+site%3Aforums.moneysavingexpert.com

That's what the 'PPC letter chains' sticky thread is for, to show people the sorts of letters to ignore if you've missed POPLA - and to avoid cluttering up the forum with repetition about the letters (there are loads recently on here but thousands over the years and there are only so many words we can say that mean 'ignore this drivel'):

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4896178

As you can see people have ignored these for many years, a decade approximately! Look at the dates on the links that still work in the OLD pre-Oct Letter chains link to an old MSE thread of pictures, linked under 'PPC letter chains' in those forum stickies. Look at the boring letter chain, see it for what it is - file all the letters in a folder just in case G24 ever break the habit of a lifetime and follow this up - and reclaim your life.