Allied Carpets - to pay for beading or not?

samantha241

Hi

I have a 100 square foot of flooring to be covered with real wood.
Allied Carpets have given me an bill of £2600 for the wood (£15.99 sq. metre)
including underlay and all beading. Also included is the purchase of the
stairs carpet (£5.99 sq.metre), with fitting and delivery with Allied.
I am picking up the wood, underlay and beading myself.

Is this reasonable?

Many thanks,
Samantha

Doozergirl

100 square foot? That's about 10 square metres, no? Do you mean metres? Why do you need underlay for a solid wood floor?

I've just bought 70 square metres of more expensive oak flooring and got it fitted for £2400 total.

I don't know if your room is ready decorated, but I'd prefer to take the skirting off and either put it back or fit new. It looks so much better than beading.

samantha241

Hi

Sorry I meant 100 square metres. I was told I need underlay for the entire house, both upstairs and downstairs, there is a concrete floor in one of the downstairs rooms and was told I need membrane for that. Do you not need underlay for downstairs that has wooden floor? No one told me this.

Room has just been decorated, is all nice and white.
I'd like to take up the skirting but builders already finished decorating and no more money left.
Don't you need the beading for the edge to cover the gaps, as wood expands?

How much was your wood Doozergirl if you don't mind me asking? So you lifting up skirting and having it placed under that, yes I admit it is a cleaner finish. Wish I had thought of that.

Many thanks
Samantha

Doozergirl

I paid £19.38 + VAT from Howdens. It's really, really lovely. Looks amazing down! Looks like my fitting cost about the same as yours.

On the concrete floor we laid 2x2 batons as if the floor isn't perfectly level you will get the floor bouncing quite a bit. I'm not sure about upstairs as we've only laid wood directly to the joists. When you tile though you lay ply over the existing floor to get it as flat as possible. Just laying underlay like on a laminate floor doesn't sound like the best way of getting longevity from the floor? I sure there's someone here that knows more than me - you want to be sure that you're going to get as little movement as possible.

I sure there's someone here that knows more than me - you want to be sure that you're going to get as little movement as possible.

samantha241

I haven't got the fitting cost yet. The £2,600 is only for the wood, underlay and beading cost (and the stairs carpet is the only fitting included) I have to get a wood fitter myself. I calculated we paid approx similar for the actual wood (£1500) but my wood is the most basic one.

milkydrink

I hate beading, I think its best to rip the skirting boards off & replace (to match the new floor).

As for underlay, my sister & I researched this for hers.......

If you have a concrete floor then you must have a DPM, but don't think big plastic sheet, its like a black tar paint sort of stuff, it may even be down already. My Sisters already had it, only half of my ground floor has it.

The best way to lay a solid wood floor then is with a latex glue on top of the black tarry DPM. It will be permenent & NOT floating (like laminate).

The latex glue is also expensive (as id the DPM paint). But it will form part of the house & last forever.

Doozergirl

samantha241 wrote: »

I haven't got the fitting cost yet. The £2,600 is only for the wood, underlay and beading cost (and the stairs carpet is the only fitting included) I have to get a wood fitter myself. I calculated we paid approx similar for the actual wood (£1500) but my wood is the most basic one.

:eek:

Erm, you know what I think then!

samantha241

Oh my, so I am paying too much for the underlay and beading then. If I am spending £1,500 on the floor, what do you think I should be paying for beading and underlay in proportion then? I have no idea about this all, I think I might pay a visit to B and Q and hopefully get a nice guy to help me, when I queried it with Allied at the weekend, they just said its all required and didn't offer anything cheaper. When I rang another Allied store and quoted it, lady said thats the luxury brand of underlay you have then?? Huh?? I just need underlay and not pay over the odds.

Is £4.99? okay to pay per square metre of underlay? Thats Allied's cheapest option. Or shall I just cancel all underlay and beading with them, take the wood and run! (As so to speak?)

Doozergirl

I can't entirely work out why you need underlay for a wood floor. If you did, then surely they mean using the cheap stuff you put under laminate? You might want an element of soundproofing but you also don't want a thick, squishy layer underneath as it's going to move about?

I'd try and get hold of a proper carpenter and ask them under the guise of getting a quote for fitting it. They'd be the best person to lay a wood floor, surely?

ritesh

hello all, I have been reading thread with some interest and as we are looking to have wooden floor laid onto screed. We have found that there are a few options available to us:-

1) plant battons onto floor and wooden flooring onto this (no good for us)

2) seal floor and glue wood directly onto floor using a specal glue which can expand with the wood

3) provided floor is level, seal floor, put underlay (with foil backing) and wooden flooring onto this

We are going to go with the third option for a floating floor to lay solid 18mm oak flooring with a 10 ml gap around the edges and skirting planted on top after. Can anyone think of any disadvantages to this?

PROFESSIONAL_LANDLORD

kimevans wrote: »

I hate beading, I think its best to rip the skirting boards off & replace (to match the new floor).

As for underlay, my sister & I researched this for hers.......

If you have a concrete floor then you must have a DPM, but don't think big plastic sheet, its like a black tar paint sort of stuff, it may even be down already. My Sisters already had it, only half of my ground floor has it.

The best way to lay a solid wood floor then is with a latex glue on top of the black tarry DPM. It will be permenent & NOT floating (like laminate).

The latex glue is also expensive (as id the DPM paint). But it will form part of the house & last forever.

A big plastic sheet can be used ! In fact this plastic sheet is used throughout the country, and conforms to building regs , the product is known as VISCREEN. ( maybe not spelled right)