Forced To Look For Work On ESA?

Indie_Kid

rogerblack wrote: »

A claimant who uses a wheelchair, can't walk and can slowly wheel himself over 200m. He can only work for 90 minutes at a time before becoming utterly exhausted. He has difficulty conveying or understanding more than simple messages from strangers. Once every couple of months has a sudden accident where he loses control of his bowels. Can barely operate a washing machine. Several hours a day he can't cope with trying to talk to new people.

Is fit for work.

Surely, they would score enough points to not be found fit for work?

sniggings

Indie_Kid wrote: »

Most won't get better in the future. That's the problem - most have permanent and incurable disabilities.

those in the working group have been assessed to be ready for work at some time in the future, either way if they are or not, hassling them until they are at lest fit for work is pointless and expensive for the tax payer.

Supernatural

I was assessed 3 times last year, all decided I was unfit, without the need for medicals, thank god.

The advisor was bragging about sanctioning a woman who failed to show up to a job interview he set up for her, presume she was on ESA also as he seemed to be telling that story as a warning to me.

I will try my hardest to overcome my barriers and have no wish to be shunted sideways into the tumbleweed country of the support group. But I will not be bullied into doing it until such a time as I feel ready for it.

They advise nothing, you just show up once a month and they twiddle their fingers, ask you to think about what job you would like in the future... I say the same thing to them every time and every month they ask again, so frustrating!!

It seems I have come up against a jobsworth this time, just my luck.

sniggings

longtomboy wrote: »

How long then would you suggest that they be 'left alone'?

well don't forget they still have to follow the JSA rules once they are well again and looking for work, so they are never left alone, what I mean is before you try and help someone that you have assessed to be unable to work, why try and get them into work? seems a total waste of money and everyones time, not to mention not helping the sick person.

So to answer your question, apply the same rules that someone on JSA has to follow, if they can not find a job within a year them send them on the WP, or even 6 months but to send them on the WP before that it daft as even if you are able to work the WP has been shown to be next to useless, so what help is the WP going to be for someone that does not even have to look for work never mind take any if it's offered!...I guess the tories do this for people like you who think this !!!! is helping, when infact all it's doing is costing the tax payer more money just so some MP can go on TV and say they are being tough on the sick...oops I mean the dole stroungers.

skintmacflint

sniggings wrote: »

well don't forget they still have to follow the JSA rules once they are well again and looking for work, so they are never left alone, what I mean is before you try and help someone that you have assessed to be unable to work, why try and get them into work? seems a total waste of money and everyones time, not to mention not helping the sick person.

So to answer your question, apply the same rules that someone on JSA has to follow, if they can not find a job within a year them send them on the WP, or even 6 months but to send them on the WP before that it daft...

According to Roger's link only those on ESA WRAG with a prognosis of less than 12 months get referred to the Work Programme. So they're supposed to be job ready and fit by that time.

The problem doesn't sem to be with the above, but possibly that some people are put into the WRAG group with a shorter prognosis time than they perhaps need?

sniggings

skintmacflint wrote: »

According to Roger's link only those on ESA WRAG with a prognosis of less than 12 months get referred to the Work Programme. So they're supposed to be job ready and fit by that time.

The problem doesn't sem to be with the above, but possibly that some people are put into the WRAG group with a shorter prognosis time than they perhaps need?

my point is, if they have been assessed that they can not work, then why send them to a WP that hardly succeeds in finding work for fit JSA claimants never mind ESA claimants...theses people have not even been assessed as needing help to find work, someone on JSA has to wait a year before going on the WP yet an unfit person on ESA gets sent on it straight away! seems a daft way to do things, at least assess these people to send only those on the WP that needs a CV writing or interview skills, as lets face it that's about all the WP offers to most people on it, that kind of help could wait ill the person is at least fit and well.

The Government seem to think these people are trying it on so lets badger them but they have past an assessment that is next to impossible to pass if still breathing. I think they are confused.

What is happening, these ESA claimants are going on the WP, the WP advisers have very little help to offer so end up badgering them into work as that after all is the point of the WP.

Supernatural

It annoys me that they don't even seem to know who is on what benefit, they dump the ESA claimants in with the jobseekers and label us all workshy, it's unfair and untrue. I wouldn't mind if they actually helped but nothing to better my chances of returning to work has been offered, not a thing!

osdset

sniggings wrote: »

can you not use your own brain to work this out or do you just follow what the tories say without question?

no they have been assessed to show they can not do any work but may be able to work in the future, it's a simple suggestion I'm making, if they can not work now, why not leave them alone to get well and if they fail to get a job when well then set the attack dogs on them...it'll save a lot of wasted money.

I think I can use my own brain on this one seeing as I'm an ESA WRAG claimant. We would all like to be left alone but that's not how the system works is it?

In my case the attack dogs were unleashed early. I had an eight month battle with a Work Programme provider because I was wrongly referred by JCP on my first WFI, the provider refused to comply with instructions issued by JCP to leave me alone, they continually sent appointment letters that I refused to attend, the upshot was an eventual sanction over Christmas. I got this overturned and now things are back to normal, or as normal as it gets when you're long term sick.


BTW, before you start accusing people of siding with the Tories, engage your brain and find out the facts first.

rogerblack

sniggings wrote: »

my point is, if they have been assessed that they can not work.

Nobody on ESA is directly assessed that they can not work.
This is not one of the criteria for being granted ESA.

sniggings

rogerblack wrote: »

Nobody on ESA is directly assessed that they can not work.
This is not one of the criteria for being granted ESA.

so they have been assessed to not have to work, my point remains the same.

Surely the test is to show they can not hold a job, if it wasn't then they would be on JSA...but I understand what you are saying.