Scottish Independence Referendum: Your Vote

Leanne1812

Yes

chucknorris wrote: »

It would be a waste of my time to try and dispute it, why would I? I want Scotland to leave because I think we would be better off without you. What on earth would be my motivation? I can't understand why you want me to jump ship and support the 'no' vote, please enlighten me.

With respect, if you're not eligible to vote it really does not matter to me one iota what your stance is.

chucknorris

Leanne1812 wrote: »

With respect, if you're not eligible to vote it really does not matter to me one iota what your stance is.

Then why the hell ask me to dispute the alleged facts on your link?

Leanne1812

Yes

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The facts are probably accurate. However that's like picking the cherries off the top of a cake. Far too simplistic. If I was asked to make such a decision I would expect a book the size of War and Peace.

I agree it is simplistic. I'd also say it isn't my only source of information. I've read lots of articles and if there are comments I read them too as I find them informative, sometimes more so than the article.

It seems to me that we are falling into two distinct camps. Those who envisage a positive, thriving Scotland and those who are maybe pessimistic by nature and can't see past the negatives there may be.

Leanne1812

Yes

chucknorris wrote: »

What research have you done? I'm wondering if perhaps you are employed as an economist for the SNP? You may have done extensive research and dedicated significant time for months on this subject, but the problem is that most who vote will not have done so or even be capable of drawing meaningful correct conclusions from their research.

Possibly as you suggested I might be an economist for the SNP I wrongly assumed you had made your mind up what 'side' you are on.

The_Angry_Jock

Leanne1812 wrote: »

With respect, if you're not eligible to vote it really does not matter to me one iota what your stance is.

Or any one who isn't a yes for that matter. I don't know why you bother posting on these threads.

Leanne1812 wrote: »

It seems to me that we are falling into two distinct camps. Those who envisage a positive, thriving Scotland and those who are maybe pessimistic by nature and can't see past the negatives there may be.

Why are those who aren't yes's automatically pessimistic? Maybe they see the good in the union and are optimistic about it. Both sides are pessimistic & optimistic, you just seem hell bent on pigeon holing people to suit your agenda, it's boring and undermines your arguments.

Thrugelmir

chucknorris wrote: »

I don't pretend to have a grasp on the economic outcome of a 'yes' vote thrug. I have no interest in what it would mean for Scotland, but I am very interested in what it would mean for us. At the moment my instinct is that we could be better off after an initial period of chaos/volatility in the markets. What do you think, I would appreciate a bear's view on this.

I'm neutral Chuck on this topic. However in view Salmond misjudged Westminster totally. The UK will adjust if Scotland votes for independence. Will Scotland though. Or will some believe that the grass is greener to the south.

baldelectrician

Yes

Prudent wrote: »

I'm eligible and I am undecided.

Reasons for a no vote: a) Alex Salmond, hopefully in the event of a no vote we will hear less from him; b) the faff of moving all my money south of the border; c) the faff of moving myself south of the border at a stage when I am not ready for it; d) the risk that the value of my house will drop before I can achieve c; e) the faff of finding and adjusting to a new job south of the border f) the faff having to transfer my pension to the equivilent scheme south of the border g) I like the lovely view of the hills from my window. h) I will miss my friends.

I think it is a completely imprudent for the Scottish economy and I am baffled that yes voters are not demanding more specific answers from the SNP. It feels too like buying a ticket for the Titanic

For a yes vote: see below

I am a YES supporter and I feel hopeful for the future after a YES vote

To go through your NO reasons;

a) Alex Salmond, hopefully in the event of a no vote we will hear less from him
That will probably happen- if you reach the highest point in your careerer you can only go down.
the SNP will be a vastly diminished party after independence, as many people are in the party solely for independence, once independence happens many will gravitate to new and old parties

b) the faff of moving all my money south of the border
Why your money will be safe in the bank

c) the faff of moving myself south of the border at a stage when I am not ready for it
Why desert your country just at the rebirth of our nation?

d) the risk that the value of my house will drop before I can achieve
The value of homes always goes up over a medium to long term (5 years plus)

e) the faff of finding and adjusting to a new job south of the border
Will your company cease to exist on the day of independence?

f) the faff having to transfer my pension to the equivalent scheme south of the border
Why?
To give a parallel answer- if you move to Spain or somewhere else would you need to move your pension? No, you will just get the benefits you have been contracted to get as before.

g) I like the lovely view of the hills from my window.
h) I will miss my friends.
Why move?

I would suggest you look at some of these sites for information on independence;

http://www.newsnetscotland.com

http://www.wingsoverscotland.com

http://www.bellacaledonia.org.uk

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk

http://www.womenforindependence.org

http://www.labourforindy.com

http://www.reidfoundation.org

http://www.scottishcommonweal.org

http://www.nationalcollective.com

http://www.derekbatemandotnet1.worldpress.com

baldelectrician

Yes

michaels wrote: »

As a resident of rUK i would be oh so pleased if we were no longer under the yoke of Scottish politicians and no longer had to support the Scots elevated public spending via our taxes. Sadly I think the Scots are weak willed and will bottle it, deciding that their economic interests outweigh their freedom

I feel you may be misguided by thinking Scotland is a subsidy junkie

1. Scotland gets £1200 more spent per person- this you will have heard.
2. Scotland contrubutes £1700 more per person - this you may not have heard

In other words - Scotland will be better off from day 1 of independence and won't have Westminster holding us back

It's all about Westminster, not English / Scottish / Welsh / Northern Irish people.

Story from The Independent on Scottish independence

And another from the Financial TImes

I picked these papers as they do NOT support the Scottish independence movement

More sites on Scottish Independence


http://www.newsnetscotland.com

http://www.wingsoverscotland.com

http://www.bellacaledonia.org.uk

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk

http://www.womenforindependence.org

http://www.labourforindy.com

http://www.reidfoundation.org

http://www.scottishcommonweal.org

http://www.nationalcollective.com

http://www.derekbatemandotnet1.worldpress.com

http://www.bbc.scotlandshire.co.uk

http://www.YesScotland.net

chucknorris

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Possibly as you suggested I might be an economist for the SNP I wrongly assumed you had made your mind up what 'side' you are on.

You seem to be taking this rather personally (with ‘sides’) rather than treating it as an analytical/academic exercise, that's an observation not a criticism, I accept that it is difficult to remain neutral if other people are making it personal (I'm not, I am looking at this purely from an analytical/academic stance). I don’t have a vote in this so making my mind up doesn’t have any affect on the result of the actual vote, my interest in this subject is about how the rest of the UK would fare, rather than Scotland. Not that I have anything against Scotland, it is just that any success or lack of it wouldn’t personally affect me, but I (we) do have a lot of money invested in the UK, so any positive or negative outcome for the rest of the UK would affect me (us).


The reason I ‘suggested’ that is because you said that you had been researching the subject, and that is a role that would support such research being carried out, obviously you would not have been a researcher for the 'better together' campaign because you made it clear that you intend to vote yes.


If you had been a researcher I would have be keen to learn what your findings were, and also what your research methods were (qualitative, quantitative or a combination). But I now think that when you said that you had researched it, you merely meant that you had read research/articles by others rather than carried out primary research yourself.

IveSeenTheLight

Yes

mayonnaise wrote: »

So you post a poll on a UK website and exclude the majority of UK citizens. You're not Alex Salmond by any chance, are you?

Not at all, I just wanted to consider what the eligibility within MSE thought.
I'm sorry I didn't have time to run a poll for the RoUK