White goods in rented house??

Shoey1610

I'd prefer not to have the white goods when renting as I want to choose my own. We do have integrated appliances in the property we currently rent and I hate the them all because you can tell they are not very good quality.

We sold our lovely washing machine and fridge to move in as the property itself is worth it, but I curse those cheapy white goods everyday.

Miss_Marple_2

When I was assisting my brother rent his house, we were going buy a new fridge & washing machine as the old ones needed replacing, but the agent advised against due to that then being an obligation to maintain. In the end we decided to show it without, but offer to buy if the tenant didn't have their own. The cooker & hob were integrated.

The tenants that took the house were long term renters ( a family with 2 children) and they had their own appliances so wanted the space.

Zoology_Dragon

PheoUK wrote: »

I wouldn't rent without washing machine, oven, job & fridge freezer. Dishwasher is a plus not a requirement. Wouldn't expect microwave unless built in, definitely wouldn't expect kettle / toaster etc.

Obviously some tenants wouldn't be fussed about not having them but personally I don't have these things so between a rental with and a rental without ill pick the with-rental every time!

Same here, I wouldn't even view a property if it didn't have white goods but it's not something I've ever come across. We move regularly due to work and I wouldn't want the added hassle of moving white goods every time.

I wouldn't want curtains and definitely not things like a kettle and toaster!

Naf

A question; given that a LL is already replacing goods (a washing machine), do I have rights in regards to what he replaces it with? i.e. can he replace a good machine that has lots of functions with the cheapest most basic piece of junk going? Or can I reasonably expect to get something broadly similar back again?

BitterAndTwisted

No, you don't have "rights" in this regard. As in most things in life, a bit of friendly negotiation might get you pretty close to where you want to be. That could mean you contributing to the uplift between what the landlord is prepared to pay and the model you actually want.

Naf

BitterAndTwisted wrote: »

No, you don't have "rights" in this regard. As in most things in life, a bit of friendly negotiation might get you pretty close to where you want to be. That could mean you contributing to the uplift between what the landlord is prepared to pay and the model you actually want.

Thought so, and this was my plan. I was expecting the LL to make contact about it (I'd heard nothing) then this morning he just says the repair guy will be in touch, & the repair guy just says he's got another machine for us. I'm not holding my breath.

G_M

Vectis wrote: »

As landlords we always left the white goods there for viewing and told prospective tenants that we would remove them if they didn't want them i.e. they wanted to bring their own. It'll open your property up to more tenants (those that want white goods left and those who don't) if you at least offer them.

And, yes, you have to repair them if they go wrong.

Not necessarily. Statute forces a landlord to repair the structure of the propertyetc ( Landlord & Tenant Act 1985 ) . Repair of white goods depends on contract law, so if the contract agreed says that white goods will not be repaired by the LL, then......white goods will not be repaired by the LL (unless he chooses to repair.)

A question; given that a LL is already replacing goods (a washing machine), do I have rights in regards to what he replaces it with? i.e. can he replace a good machine that has lots of functions with the cheapest most basic piece of junk going? Or can I reasonably expect to get something broadly similar back again?

Again, depends on what the contract says.

If the contract says the rent includes a Bosch SuperDeluxe NASA 5000 washer/dryer, then that (or comparable) is what must be provided.

Jabberwk

I've rented 4 unfurnished places so far in Glasgow and London. All of them have included oven, fridge/freezer, washing machine and curtains and I would expect this as standard. Having these appliances included has also been the norm for friends who have rented. The landlord has always been responsible for repairs to these unless we have specifically caused damage (rather than wear and tear) to them. In our last place the landlord asked us to dry-clean the curtains before we moved out, as well as getting the place professionally cleaned. We have always expected to bring our own kettle, microwave etc though.

Naf

G_M wrote: »

Again, depends on what the contract says.

If the contract says the rent includes a Bosch SuperDeluxe NASA 5000 washer/dryer, then that (or comparable) is what must be provided.

Sorry, should have been more specific.
Contract doesn't specify who is responsible for appliances, or anything specific about them It was there when we moved in, and it's on the inventory.
There's only two concerns I have about the new one (other than its overall condition as I fully expect it to be second hand):
1. The size of the drum. Current one is 5kg and just barely large enough for our needs. If we end up with smaller then doing our laundry will become impossible.
2. The delay start timer: we're on economy 7 as the property has no gas & is heated with storage heaters. Without the timer the cost to do our laundry would practically double.

If the new machine doesn't match up in those respects, do you think I'm justified in going back to him about it?

G_M

If the tenancy agreement is silent, you could argue there is an implied contract term that a washer will be repaired/replaced.

If the inventory specifies the precise washer (make/model), then you can argue a replacement should be the same or similar (including drum size etc).

a timer to run the washer at night costs less than £5.