Parking on private property

Iceweasel

arcon5 wrote: »

Why should people have to put up barriers just to keep rogue Parkers out?!

What a strange question???

To make sure that there are empty spaces when you want one for yourself.

I thought that would have been obvious.

It's exactly like asking why you should shut and lock your front door rather than leaving it wide open when you go on holiday.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm completely on your side - no-one should be parking on your ground that you don't want there.

Unfortunately - there are people who will.

So a simple post barrier or a chain and padlock will keep out all but the most stupid and selfish.

No need for an over-kill parking company at all.

As for the 'why should people have to' - would you let your wife / sister / mother travel alone on the London or Paris underground at night wearing their favourite expensive jewellery, in full sight.

You can wish all you want for an ideal world with no 'naughty' people - but you must take steps to protect what you do not want to be abused.

I_was_just_wondering

I'm not sure I understand the morality of some of the posts here.

Are some of you you saying that if there is no physical barrier on a car park, it's "fair game" for anyone to park there?

(And if you find an unlocked front door, it's "fair game" to steal stuff.)

To me, it's that attitude that has resulted in the growth of obnoxious, over-zealous car parking companies. As some drivers become more anti-social and devious about parking where they shouldn't, land owners have to resort to tougher, nastier measures to combat it.

And the result is that reasonable people who make innocent mistakes about parking, end up suffering the same fate as the really bad guys.

Perhaps a better mantra for the forum would be "park considerately and legally, and then the parking enforcement cowboys would eventually go out of business"

Johno100

I_was_just_wondering wrote: »

To me, it's that attitude that has resulted in the growth of obnoxious, over-zealous car parking companies. As some drivers become more anti-social and devious about parking where they shouldn't, land owners have to resort to tougher, nastier measures to combat it.

But employing a PPC doesn't combat the problem, it doesn't stop people parking it just makes the PPC's a load of money down the line when the 'perpetrator' has long gone. And these 'nastier measures' can also p-off genuine customers who you want to come and spend time in your shop or retail park and do real damage to your business.

27col

PPC's do not have the slightest interest in providing controlled parking. The only thing they are interested in, is to ticket people for perceived "infringements". If their parking controls worked and ensured that only customers parked in the spaces provided, they would have no income. hence, all the petty restrictions that they can ticket for.
I would indeed be interested to find out if they are paid a retainer by the car park owner, or if they have to survive entirely on their "infringement" income.

nobbysn*ts

My parents are in sheltered accommodation. They're all bored in there, they have a car park, (no one has a car to speak of, so it's empty), and prime parking, near an Italian coffee shop. It's a signed remote controlled barrier, they have hours of fun opening the barrier, some idiot parks, goes for a coffee, they close it, then they make them spend hours trying to find someone who can open it again. The building has entry controlled doors, so it's even more fun when it's raining and they can't get in. They all watch through the lounge window.

mossstitchmama

Hi, I work at a friend's business which has four parking spaces. She pays £4000 for the privilege. She has had no choice but to employ a parking company as customers of the building society next door constantly use the spaces. There are frequently no spaces when I get to work or when reps turn up.

All genuine customers have been issued with passes to display in our cars. Anyone not displaying a pass gets their car photographed and an invoice issued. She can upload photos online as long as she gets a clear photo to show the car number, no pass in the windscreen and one of the parking signs in shot. It all goes off to the company and they pursue the errant motorist, sending her money when they pay up.

The signs are really clear so if someone ignores it they cannot really complain. The parking is in a pretty obscure area behind her shop. The area is regularly visited by traffic wardens so anyone parked illegally is liable to get a ticket anyway.

The business owners are the only ones who can issue tickets so no one who is entitled to be there is likely to get a ticket. If someone genuine turns up and cannot park, the shop has to be closed and money lost whilst trying to evict the unauthorised vehicle.

It works pretty well. No one gets clamped or towed away. If a parking company wasn't used, my friend couldn't run her business. In my opinion, they pay for the spaces, it should be their choice who uses them.

Iceweasel

mossstitchmama wrote: »

Hi, I work at a friend's business which has four parking spaces. She pays £4000 for the privilege. She has had no choice but to employ a parking company as customers of the building society next door constantly use the spaces. There are frequently no spaces when I get to work or when reps turn up.

All genuine customers have been issued with passes to display in our cars. Anyone not displaying a pass gets their car photographed and an invoice issued. She can upload photos online as long as she gets a clear photo to show the car number, no pass in the windscreen and one of the parking signs in shot. It all goes off to the company and they pursue the errant motorist, sending her money when they pay up.

The signs are really clear so if someone ignores it they cannot really complain. The parking is in a pretty obscure area behind her shop. The area is regularly visited by traffic wardens so anyone parked illegally is liable to get a ticket anyway.

The business owners are the only ones who can issue tickets so no one who is entitled to be there is likely to get a ticket. If someone genuine turns up and cannot park, the shop has to be closed and money lost whilst trying to evict the unauthorised vehicle.

It works pretty well. No one gets clamped or towed away. If a parking company wasn't used, my friend couldn't run her business. In my opinion, they pay for the spaces, it should be their choice who uses them.

Now this has my total sympathy as customers and potential customers are discouraged and may not return.

There is a possible loss to the business - I would be very angry about this.

Very large very messy stickers placed directly in the drivers line of sight saying that they have caused a nuisance might help too as if it's a building society next door it's likely going to be recurring offenders.

spacey2012

WestonDave wrote: »

By that logic, unless you fence and gate (with locks) your garden its fine for me to let my dog toilet in your garden?

Yes by all means, just make sure you have two things.
One dental insurance and the second someone to carry you home.
:rotfl:

nobbysn*ts

spacey2012 wrote: »

Yes by all means, just make sure you have two things.
One dental insurance and the second someone to carry you home.
:rotfl:

PLEASE! give me your address and I'll s**t in your garden myself! I love a hard man challenge on the internet. Bet you don't though.

Johno100

mossstitchmama wrote: »

The signs are really clear so if someone ignores it they cannot really complain. The parking is in a pretty obscure area behind her shop. The area is regularly visited by traffic wardens so anyone parked illegally is liable to get a ticket anyway.

That's very interesting, so either the PPC is 'ticketing' on public land or the traffic wardens are ticketing on private land.