Uk 1960'S Vs 2000'S

cells

grizzly1911 wrote: »

If the government pays a builder to construct new properties, that weren't there before, which are in addition to any already planned speculative builds by developers for owner occupation then they have created extra capacity and they can be supplied to needy occupants by the government "directly".

Simples but you knew that.

so the government should grant itself planning stamps to build more homes?

but the councils at the local level limit stamps given out, their local plans say as much. that is the only limit for now

imagine if new car manufacturing was limited to 500k units a year. the result would be similar to what we have with homes and the planning system. too few new cars would push up the price of new cars and existing stock to ration demand. the solution would not be that the government gives itself permission to build another 100k cars a year on top of the 500k...it would be to remove the artifical limit and let car production go up to its natural state of circa 2 million units a year#


remove the artifical stamp allocation and limits and let house building rates rise to 400-500k a year. not only would it slowly solve the shortgage of homes problem but it would create about 1.1m additional jobs and see some £50B increase in GDP and ~£25B increase in tax collected/decrease in benefits

zagfles

cells wrote: »

mostly fluff,vbut let me try nonetheless

of course some people like living more dense for various reaasons, simple fact is most however do not. Hence why since records began the ocupancy rate has been falling. That is about 100 years of want/need and it has been true in virtually all countries

The point is, as you're obviously too "dense" to get it, is that even if people would prefer to live alone, there's a limit to how much they're prepared to sacrifice other stuff in their life to pay for it.

Some will pay whatever it takes and lead miserable little lives alone in their nice big house not being able to afford any social life, holidays etc.

Some would prefer to live alone, but actually having a life is more important to them, so they're not going to sacrifice everything else just so they can live alone.

Some actually prefer living with others.

If you think most people are in the first group then you're deluded.

So your story about wanting to live with your mum is neiher here nor there

Ah, you clearly can't read, that explains everything. There are adult literacy courses you can do, you know

ukcarper

The thing is the government aren't going to build council houses and private builders are not going to build sufficient new houses so people will have to adapt.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

The thing is the government aren't going to build council houses and private builders are not going to build sufficient new houses so people will have to adapt.

why won't/don't private builders build more houses?

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

why won't/don't private builders build more houses?

For many reason some of which you keep quoting.

grizzly1911

cells wrote: »

remove the artifical stamp allocation and limits and let house building rates rise to 400-500k a year. not only would it slowly solve the shortgage of homes problem but it would create about 1.1m additional jobs and see some £50B increase in GDP and ~£25B increase in tax collected/decrease in benefits

Not sure anyone is arguing that more dwellings are required. Whether the private sector alone will ever meet demand is part of the question and how efficiently social housing provision can best bet another part. There are of course a multitude of other parts to the question.

Large scale government commissioned house building would no doubt dampen the incessant ramping effect desired by so many.

BobQ

Generali wrote: »

In the period 1960-1970, the UK appears to have built more houses than people. I'm not sure that is desirable.

Even last decade, Britain built a house for every couple of people.

Does that include all those they knocked down to build them on?

Generali

BobQ wrote: »

Does that include all those they knocked down to build them on?

Don't know. Are the figures net or gross?