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Uk 1960'S Vs 2000'S
cells
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The last time the UK population grew at about the same nominal pace was in the 1960s so what was the build rate like then?
1960-1970
+3.26m people
+3.68m homes
2000-2010
+3.37m people
+1.88m homes
It is clear a big shortgage developed in the 2000-2010 period but gong forward instead of things getting better they are going to get worse
2010-2020 estimates
+4.9 million
+1.5-1.6m homes
1960-1970
+3.26m people
+3.68m homes
2000-2010
+3.37m people
+1.88m homes
It is clear a big shortgage developed in the 2000-2010 period but gong forward instead of things getting better they are going to get worse
2010-2020 estimates
+4.9 million
+1.5-1.6m homes
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Who built a lot of the houses in the 60s?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Who built a lot of the houses in the 60s?
who handily provided all the building plots?0 -
Is it? 3.37m extra people in 1.88m extra homes means 1.79 people in each average extra home. Do we really expect the average home to have less than 2 people in it?The last time the UK population grew at about the same nominal pace was in the 1960s so what was the build rate like then?
1960-1970
+3.26m people
+3.68m homes
2000-2010
+3.37m people
+1.88m homes
It is clear a big shortgage developed in the 2000-2010 period
3 people per average house:eek: How will we cope?but gong forward instead of things getting better they are going to get worse
2010-2020 estimates
+4.9 million
+1.5-1.6m homes0 -
In the period 1960-1970, the UK appears to have built more houses than people. I'm not sure that is desirable.
Even last decade, Britain built a house for every couple of people.0 -
In the period 1960-1970, the UK appears to have built more houses than people. I'm not sure that is desirable.
Even last decade, Britain built a house for every couple of people.
in the 1960-70 there was still a lot of war damage and a lot of slum clearance
and general housing standards and expectations increased
so it was logical that the amount of building was in excess of any population increase0 -
in the 1960-70 there was still a lot of war damage and a lot of slum clearance
and general housing standards and expectations increased
so it was logical that the amount of building was in excess of any population increase
And over the last few decades we've seen a remarkable increase in single person households.
Without a corresponding increase in new houses.
Blunt averages tell you nothing.Is it? 3.37m extra people in 1.88m extra homes means 1.79 people in each average extra home. Do we really expect the average home to have less than 2 people in it?
3 people per average house:eek: How will we cope?
What we've seen is a big increase in single person households at one end of the spectrum, and a big increase in HMO's and overcrowded housing at the other.
Including a 600K increase in adults living with their parents in just the last 15 years. Along with increases in homeless families living in B&B, a million more houses taking in lodgers, and the advent of 'sheds with beds'.
The current housing shortage in this country is astoundingly huge.... And completely beyond the realistic ability of government or society to cure any time soon.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
In the period 1960-1970, the UK appears to have built more houses than people. I'm not sure that is desirable.
Even last decade, Britain built a house for every couple of people.
You and many others simply do not understand something called the ocupancy rate. It is the number of people living in each home.
This rate today is around 2.31 people. Or there are 63.5m people in 27.5m homes (63.5/27.5 = 2.31)
The ocupancy rate must fall to meet demographic changes and a richer nation. importantly it has fallen for all of recorded history in the UK, all expect the period that we are in now 2010-2020 where it will actually rise.
Here is something more to confuse you.
France in 2011 built 421k homes, and its population went up by 300k that year. what do you think that means? does it mean the french are crazy stupid becuase they put 300k people in 421k homes ie more than 1 house per person?
No what it means is that the french people come 2012 lived less dense than in 2011. Their ocupancy rate fell by 0.02 that year. This is normal and has been true in virtually all countries for virtually all of recorded history. Even in the UK it has always been true...except this decade we are in0 -
Is it? 3.37m extra people in 1.88m extra homes means 1.79 people in each average extra home. Do we really expect the average home to have less than 2 people in it?
3 people per average house:eek: How will we cope?
you are actually correct even though you think it is crazy. Put it this way, if the UK had 3 people per house on average we would only need 63.5/3 = 21.2 million homes. But we have 27.5 million homes.
So according to your...3 per home is fine....the uk actually has a surplus of 6.3 million homes and we can knock 6 million down with no trouble....
As for "do we really need less than 2 people per house"...the answer is probably yes. Germany is now below 2 people per house and france is heading towards 2.0 and will likely go under it. As a nation ages it needs more housing per capita. Widows live at 1 to a house and something like 8 million homes in the uk only have 1 person in them. The only way to have a figure above 2 and a heathy market is to make it illegal to die at any other time than at the same time as your husband/wife0 -
in the 1960-70 there was still a lot of war damage and a lot of slum clearance
and general housing standards and expectations increased
so it was logical that the amount of building was in excess of any population increase
It isnt that, for a start the figures are net not gross. So if 600k homes are built and 200k knocked down the figure stated is 400k built.
The UK built more homes than people so the ocupancy rate could fall which is a very important part of a heathy market. That means people live less dense at the end of a decade than they did at the begining.
Also for info, France has been building more homes than people for about the last 30 years....
Also the best possible example is perhaps germany.
Over the next 10 years its population is meant to be pretty static, ie +0 million however it expects to build about 2 million more homes.
Does that mean the germans plan to build homes for ghosts?
No it just means the the current population of 82 million in 40 million homes is just going to live less dense, ie 82 million of them will live in 42 million homes.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Who built a lot of the houses in the 60s?
the same people who have always built homes in the UK, the private contractors
or did you think the councils admin staff built them on their off days?0
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