Applying for PIP - is it worth it?

Morglin

tinkledom wrote: »

That's all fine, but you also must remember that you will have to back up why these difficulties arise with evidence. A self certified diary is not evidence. It is something that the person has written, which may or may not be the truth.

I know what I suggested which was an informal diary sheet to assist both filling out the form, and adding any additional statement.

Of course, medical evidence needs to be there, as it did and does for DLA.

Not all PIP assessments will be face to face - some will be actioned on the evidence before them - which will include the claim form and supporting information/evidence.

A coherent, informative claim form and plenty of evidence will go a long way, as it does with ESA and DLA.

As you keep telling us that you have had nothing but problems with your DLA and AA claims, I don't know why you keep giving out useless 'advice' and scaremongering. :doh:

Lin :think:

tillyenna

I'm totally definitely going to apply for it now... just to upset Andy ;-)


To everyone else, thanks for fighting my corner there :-D and thank you for all of your wonderful advice.


I shall write to my GP and the CFS clinic here and see if I can get some notes to attach (usually they like lots of money to do this, rubbish)


Not sure how to get hold of x-rays that were done at the hospital though (I know my physio at the clinic managed to get hold of them so they must be available somehow) because they ought to go in too, or at leas the notes from them (yep, x-rays... I'm 23 and have arthritis... living life like a boss ;-D) I guess you can't just write to the x-ray department and ask for your x-ray notes can you?

Poppie68

tillyenna wrote: »

I'm totally definitely going to apply for it now... just to upset Andy ;-)


To everyone else, thanks for fighting my corner there :-D and thank you for all of your wonderful advice.


I shall write to my GP and the CFS clinic here and see if I can get some notes to attach (usually they like lots of money to do this, rubbish)


Not sure how to get hold of x-rays that were done at the hospital though (I know my physio at the clinic managed to get hold of them so they must be available somehow) because they ought to go in too, or at leas the notes from them (yep, x-rays... I'm 23 and have arthritis... living life like a boss ;-D) I guess you can't just write to the x-ray department and ask for your x-ray notes can you?

Hi Tilly...i was first diagnosed with arthritis at 17 so totally understand how you feel. As for your X-ray results, your GP might of been sent a copy give then a call. If not and you have a consultant at the hospital it is worth speaking to their secretary, they can usually help to get hold of hospital records like this.

Please keep us updated, even if it is just to annoy Andy::D

Morglin

tillyenna wrote: »

I'm totally definitely going to apply for it now... just to upset Andy ;-)


To everyone else, thanks for fighting my corner there :-D and thank you for all of your wonderful advice.


I shall write to my GP and the CFS clinic here and see if I can get some notes to attach (usually they like lots of money to do this, rubbish)


Not sure how to get hold of x-rays that were done at the hospital though (I know my physio at the clinic managed to get hold of them so they must be available somehow) because they ought to go in too, or at leas the notes from them (yep, x-rays... I'm 23 and have arthritis... living life like a boss ;-D) I guess you can't just write to the x-ray department and ask for your x-ray notes can you?

Good luck with it.

Lin

tinkledom

Parva wrote: »

You seem mighty annoyed by these new descriptors Andy. Seems you already know your own eligibility given your comments here. As for anyone else facing PiP I would suggest that you enter into it with open eyes and not the blinkered views that some may want to give. I doubt anyone is a fan of this new (changed) benefit but if you're genuinely disabled then I fail to see why the troll should worry you...

Me annoyed? what gave you that opinion?
No, like everybody else I have tested myself against the PIP descriptors and my twin daughters have tested me against them also.

I can genuinely say that I will only gain 4 points altogether.

Take the mobility aspect. I currently have been tested for DLA and cannot complete 60 metres without being in pain or severe discomfort. However I can, without difficulty, walk/mobilise up to 25 metres. As such I was awarded HRM.

b. Can stand and then move more than 50 metres but no more than 200 metres, either aided or unaided


This would give me 4 points.


If (c) applied I would get 8 points.


c. Can stand and then move unaided more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres.


However given that I can move more than 50 metres (I can move 60 metres) this doesn't apply.

As for the care element, there are no descriptors that I fit into despite currently receiving MRC.

tinkledom

Morglin wrote: »

I know what I suggested which was an informal diary sheet to assist both filling out the form, and adding any additional statement.

Of course, medical evidence needs to be there, as it did and does for DLA.

Not all PIP assessments will be face to face - some will be actioned on the evidence before them - which will include the claim form and supporting information/evidence.

A coherent, informative claim form and plenty of evidence will go a long way, as it does with ESA and DLA.

As you keep telling us that you have had nothing but problems with your DLA and AA claims, I don't know why you keep giving out useless 'advice' and scaremongering. :doh:

Lin :think:

Sorry, but the answer is that MOST will have a face to face assessment. For those who are to be tested by CAPITA - everyone will have a face to face assessment.

tinkledom

I certainly won't lose any sleep over anybody wanting to claim PIP, I just feel sorry for them with all of the hard work they will have to put in for so little reward.


I could put a claim in when my turn comes, but I value my time more importantly than spending it filling out a claim form when I know before hand what the answer will be.


I would however suggest that to avoid any lost sleep, that people actually take some time out and look at the descriptors and honestly ask themselves if they could prove their ability to fit that descriptor on the balance of probabilities. They might think they should have it, but thinking that and expecting the DWP to agree with you is a world apart.

Morglin

tinkledom wrote: »

Sorry, but the answer is that MOST will have a face to face assessment. For those who are to be tested by CAPITA - everyone will have a face to face assessment.

Most will have a physical assessment, but (to quote) 'not those with the most severe and evidenced disabilities'.

That is why evidence can be so important.

Capita, who I believe have contracts in the North of the country, are doing face to face, but because of the delays and the audits, procedures are being reviewed.

ESA started as face to face for everyone - but that idea was swiftly dropped, when reality kicked in.

Lin

Morglin

tinkledom wrote: »

I certainly won't lose any sleep over anybody wanting to claim PIP, I just feel sorry for them with all of the hard work they will have to put in for so little reward.


I could put a claim in when my turn comes, but I value my time more importantly than spending it filling out a claim form when I know before hand what the answer will be.


I would however suggest that to avoid any lost sleep, that people actually take some time out and look at the descriptors and honestly ask themselves if they could prove their ability to fit that descriptor on the balance of probabilities. They might think they should have it, but thinking that and expecting the DWP to agree with you is a world apart.

If you would care to read the PIP timescale thread, most of those applying for PIP have had favourable decisions, although they have taken a long time to decide.

Lin

TOBRUK

tinkledom wrote: »

I certainly won't lose any sleep over anybody wanting to claim PIP, I just feel sorry for them with all of the hard work they will have to put in for so little reward.

I would however suggest that to avoid any lost sleep, that people actually take some time out and look at the descriptors and honestly ask themselves if they could prove their ability to fit that descriptor on the balance of probabilities. They might think they should have it, but thinking that and expecting the DWP to agree with you is a world apart.

Andy, you have throughout this thread been absolutely unhelpful to the poster tillyenna, and have been scraremongering. To say that M.E. is not a real illness is appaulling. Many of the symtoms of this illness can be proven, but that is obviously something you wouldn't know or even want to know or understand. Just be lucky that you don't have this illness.

You obviously know a lot about the 'descriptors' with regard DLA and PIP and you don't qualify and you have tried out these despriptors as you stated:

like everybody else I have tested myself against the PIP descriptors and my twin daughters have tested me against them also.

You obviously tried them out and had your daughters to test you aswell (who in their right mind would get their children to test them with PIP descriptors?!) I suppose this was to see if you could lie your way through! You are obsessed with people being able to 'prove' that their illness or condition exists - this I suppose is because you look at yourself as maybe your illness or condition is false. You say that 'like everybody else you have tried out these descriptors', well I have never looked at any descriptors of any benefit claim, ESA, DLA ETC. All I did was answer the questions and produced medical evidence.

I could put a claim in when my turn comes, but I value my time more importantly than spending it filling out a claim form when I know before hand what the answer will be.

Never mind Andy at least you will not be spending any time filling out such forms if you are well enough to work - as you know their answer/decision without sending the form.