Morrisons fine!

kelseymacfadyen

i parked in morrisons as im still waiting for a parking permit from edinburgh college (telford campas) and i stayed there over 4 hours on the 14/1/2014 but i only recieved this £90 fine today. i was wondering if this a real fine and if i legally have to pay it. The fine sender was not from morrisons but some company called Euro Car Parks, so i dont know if am supposed to pay it or not, i have been at college another 5 days since and worried that i will recieve more fines what should i do?

bod1467

#1 It's not a fine, it's a speculative invoice.

#2 You're in Scotland so you can ignore anything they send you. (You'll get a series of ever stronger threatograms, from ECP and different debt collectors - you can ignore them all. The ONLY thing you need to be concerned about is if they send an LBA/LBCCC).

#3 All acronyms, and more detailed advice, is contained in the NEWBIES thread. (Link in my signature).

#4 If you'd searched this forum first, especially for Scotland, this reply would have been redundant as you would not have needed to post.

ezerscrooge

You lucky devil. As you are in Scotland, and the ticket was issued in Scotland then you can ignore it (and any others that follow).

Us poor blighters in England/Wales have to fight these slimy toads though POPLA.

Coupon-mad

Once you have read the Scotland advice on the NEWBIES sticky FAQs thread and laughed at the Watchdog video which still applies in your neck of the woods, you may like to read other people's experiences of ignoring these letters. So then 'search this forum' (using the heading on the parking board first page next to 'forum tools) for the keyword 'Scotland', sit down and make a cuppa as you'll find lots of results to read!

Oh, and also complain to Morrisons Store Manager and get them to cancel it to save you all the 'debt collector junk mail' all year (they can cancel these if you act quickly and have a receipt or proof of purchase). Don't discuss it with the 'frumpy jobsworth' on the CS desk - insist on the STORE MANAGER ONLY. And do not be told by Morrisons to 'appeal'... if so, tell them they must be off their head if they think that in Scotland a registered keeper like yourself is liable for their daft fake PCNs - because you are NOT - but you are here purely because you don't want the harassment of debt collector letters all year and you demand they cancel this utter rubbish.

Do not say who was driving so rehearse your complain words first and maybe use the word 'we' when talking about that day 'we shopped at your store, we then got this ridiculous letter, please cancel it now' would do.

AberdeenTyke

Do nothing, complain to no one and sit tight. You will receive some nasty letters from a debt collection agency, likely DEBT RECOVERY PLUS of Manchester ( proof of whether the agency actually exists in real life has never been proven to me). Ignore. For heavens sake do not under any circumstances enter into any dialogue with them. Wait it out. Then the letters will stop. It happened to me in Aberdeen. Posters on here have confirmed that not one of them has done court in Scotland, so we're safe. They need to prove who was driving. If they don't know they can do nothing, but they will attempt to smoke you out with scary letters.

Coupon-mad

Yep, I know you are saying retail parks don't care - but this is Morrisons and we know about their stance already. We know that Morrisons Store Managers (and if need be the CEO) do cancel these all the time. There are tons of examples in the 'Successful Complaints about PPCs' sticky thread where Morrisons Managers and their CEO have cancelled a PE fake PCN and personally I don't see the expectation of failure should stop you trying a complaint. The more the merrier!

Iceweasel

Coupon-mad - of course you are right - but the service desks and even the store managers are pretty off-hand about it.

As you say going to the 'top of the tree' and contacting the CEO is possibly more effective.

But knowing that we are not going to pay anything at the end of the day in Scotland or NI means there is less incentive for most folks to push their case really hard.

Bantex_2

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Yep, I know you are saying retail parks don't care - but this is Morrisons and we know about their stance already. We know that Morrisons Store Managers (and if need be the CEO) do cancel these all the time. There are tons of examples in the 'Successful Complaints about PPCs' sticky thread where Morrisons Managers and their CEO have cancelled a PE fake PCN and personally I don't see the expectation of failure should stop you trying a complaint. The more the merrier!

OP was not even a customer of Morrisons, they used the car park to go to college.

Coupon-mad

We can't assume we know everything about this case and the OP may as well complain. Often it is allowed, as part of the planning consent in Retail car parks, that customers do not necessarily have to use the store on site. And how do we know the OP wasn't also a customer that day, popping in to buy some food after college?

Morrisons do cancel these - I am amazed that we have had a flurry of posts today suggesting complaints are a waste of time. Try telling that to the dozens of successful posters linked in the 'Successful complaints about PPCS' sticky. The only imperative thing in Scotland is the importance of NOT IMPLYING who was driving.

Bantex_2

Coupon-mad wrote: »

We can't assume we know everything about this case and the OP may as well complain. Often it is allowed, as part of the planning consent in Retail car parks, that customers do not necessarily have to use the store on site. And how do we know the OP wasn't also a customer that day, popping in to buy some food after college?

Morrisons do cancel these - I am amazed that we have had a flurry of posts today suggesting complaints are a waste of time. Try telling that to the dozens of successful posters linked in the 'Successful complaints about PPCS' sticky. The only imperative thing in Scotland is the importance of NOT IMPLYING who was driving.

Just seems a little underhand if not a Morrisons customer.

Coupon-mad

Why, when we don't know the facts about what the OP did and what the car park Planning Consent/agreement says? More 'underhand' is the fake PCN trash!