Shocking Oxfam report on N.I.

warmhands.coldheart

motorguy wrote: »

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(b) see some jobs as beneath them

This is the one that REALLLLLLLLLLLLLY gets my me annoyed.....

motorguy

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

I suspect a certain lack of self discipline in some cases. And alarm clocks.

Moypark are always looking for people.

+1

All the big call centres - of which there are probably 20 across the province actively recruit pretty much all of the time. They positively encourage under 25's. Any of the ones i've worked at needed to recruit 30-40 people a month just to backfill.

My son got in to the first one he applied for. He works 3 days a week there whilst hes at University. Starting pay was £7.00 an hour.

motorguy

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

This is the one that REALLLLLLLLLLLLLY gets my me annoyed.....

Oh aye. Its still a big problem too. Two friends of mine are long term unemployed and constantly bemoaning having no money and not being able to get a job. I got them interviews with a call centre i have contacts in and put in a personal recommendation for them both. Starting salary was about £15K per year, rising to £18K quite quickly and good medium to long term prospects of getting to £25-30K without a big amount of effort.

Responses from both of them? "wasnt really worth their while for just £15K a year".

saverbuyer

I really don't want to come across as some lefty here and I agree with a lot of what you are all saying. There are some people who just don't want to work and there are some people where the system completely disincentivise work. Why work one hour extra a week and lose £5,000 in tax credits.

At the same time there are tens of thousands of unemployed people under 25. There are a few thousand jobs available. Yes there are some lazy scumbags but there are also thousands who can't get jobs.

The food service industry employs migrant labour, always has, always will. There are several reasons for this beyond the usual "the locals are lazy".

I think it's missing the bigger picture anyway.

qwert_yuiop

saverbuyer wrote: »

I really don't want to come across as some lefty here and I agree with a lot of what you are all saying. There are some people who just don't want to work and there are some people where the system completely disincentivise work. Why work one hour extra a week and lose £5,000 in tax credits.

At the same time there are tens of thousands of unemployed people under 25. There are a few thousand jobs available. Yes there are some lazy scumbags but there are also thousands who can't get jobs.

The food service industry employs migrant labour, always has, always will. There are several reasons for this beyond the usual "the locals are lazy".

I think it's missing the bigger picture anyway.[

Only if "always" means prior to ten or twelve years ago. There were no Portuguese in dungannon prior to that. Now if it's worth someone's while crossing Europe to work in moypark, what explanation apart from laziness can you give for unwillingness to cross the Black water?

saverbuyer

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

saverbuyer wrote: »

I really don't want to come across as some lefty here and I agree with a lot of what you are all saying. There are some people who just don't want to work and there are some people where the system completely disincentivise work. Why work one hour extra a week and lose £5,000 in tax credits.

At the same time there are tens of thousands of unemployed people under 25. There are a few thousand jobs available. Yes there are some lazy scumbags but there are also thousands who can't get jobs.

The food service industry employs migrant labour, always has, always will. There are several reasons for this beyond the usual "the locals are lazy".

I think it's missing the bigger picture anyway.[

Only if "always" means prior to ten or twelve years ago. There were no Portuguese in dungannon prior to that. Now if it's worth someone's while crossing Europe to work in moypark, what explanation apart from laziness can you give for unwillingness to cross the Black water?

Honestly I think in the food services and hospitality industry there's an element of discrimination when choosing workers. They actively recruit migrants over local workers. They don't even give locals a chance.

Several firms also employ some "creative" approaches to recruiting. Sometimes workers are classed as self-employed, some companies also like to place their migrant workers in accommodation provided by the company and automatically deduct rent and costs for flights.

I've seen this happen. Locals are more reluctant to sign up to such conditions.

There's also well documented issues with training and development. Migrant workers, only over to make a few quid for a couple of years, don't have any issues with this whereas locals might want a bit of progression.

qwert_yuiop

So laziness it is then.

Cotta

saverbuyer wrote: »

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Honestly I think in the food services and hospitality industry there's an element of discrimination when it choosing workers. They actively recruit migrants over local workers. They don't even give locals a chance.

Several firms also employ some "creative" approaches to recruiting. Sometimes worker is classed as self-employed, some companies also like to place their migrant workers in accommodation provided the company and automatically deduct rent and costs for flights.

I've seen this happen. Locals are more reluctant to sign up to such conditions.

There's also well documented issues with training and development. Migrant workers, only over to make a few quid for a couple of years, don't have any issues with this whereas locals might want a bit of progression.

Surely something that needs to be investigated to ensure equality is being maintained?

motorguy

saverbuyer wrote: »

Locals are more reluctant to sign up to such conditions

saverbuyer wrote: »

....whereas locals might want a bit of progression

Ever heard the saying its easier to get a job when you're in a job?

Maybe people need to see the bigger picture and get what work they can and use it as a stepping stone to a better job?

saverbuyer

motorguy wrote: »

Ever heard the saying its easier to get a job when you're in a job?

Maybe people need to see the bigger picture and get what work they can and use it as a stepping stone to a better job?

Maybe, but sometimes the door is closed.