Stop buying new stuff, says government advisor

lostinrates

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

The difference between the energy used to run old appliances and modern ones is massive.....seriously a modern tumble drier is a magnificent thing, as is a modern dishwasher. A modern dishwasher can be greener than washing up by hand. Link

Yep, I agree. In fact, I think even some old ones are more efficient than ME washing up by hand tbh.

But that doesn't mean it will be more green for me to buy a more modern one every five years. Mine was a decent model that I treat with respect and will keep for as long as I can. Then I'll replace with a similarly decent one.

Have to admit, took a different line with tumble dryer, as use it rarely. Line drying where possible will always be greenest option for me. No upgrade required. This is my first ever tumble dryer. My parents have never bought one, ever.

ukcarper

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

From Which?



Running an energy efficient appliance is greener & saves money. Old metal can be recycled.

Not saying that newer appliances use less energy, but a lot of energy is used in the production of materials used in these good and in the actual manufacturing of goods. This has to be weighed against the energy saved in use and the shorter the lifespan of that appliance the more likely that those savings will not cover the energy used in making the appliance.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Again from Which?

Energy-saving appliances Eco-friendly washing machines
There is no point bargain hunting for a cheap washing machine if it’s going to cost you the earth to run. The washing machines we’ve tested have annual running costs that vary from £13 to £50 - a difference that will add up over the years.

That's the difference in running costs between Washing machines you can buy today. The difference between a 30 years old washing machine and a new washing machine will be massive.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

ukcarper wrote: »

Not saying that newer appliances use less energy, but a lot of energy is used in the production of materials used in these good and in the actual manufacturing of goods. This has to be weighed against the energy saved in use and the shorter the lifespan of that appliance the more likely that those savings will not cover the energy used in making the appliance.

Yes but.....some new washing machines only use one cup of water...
Link

Imagine how much water that saves....

ukcarper

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Yes but.....some new washing machines only use one cup of water...
Link

Imagine how much water that saves....

Not sure how clean that would wash.


I'm not that happy with my new energy efficient dishwasher it doesn't wash as well my old machine and the dying cycle is not good.

Graham_Devon

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Yes but.....some new washing machines only use one cup of water...
Link

Imagine how much water that saves....

Yer....but you fail to mention it uses nylon polymer beads instead. Thousands of them infact. Which is made up of plastic. Which is made up of resources dug out of the ground. All of which require manufacturing, which, in itself, uses a lot of water and energy.

Could be, and I have no idea whether it is or not, the same as the Prius. Once manufacturered, very low carbon compared to similar devices. But the manufacturing process can be very harmful.

prowla

lostinrates wrote: »

Yep. Agreed.


Also, not being so minded I wonder how much everything needs to be resigned at each stage.

For example, as an iPad user I have a couple of chargers. Its useful to have more than one, and say, one in the car. When dh's office sent him an iPad I said 'at least we have chargers about the place already' and lo and behold the new iPad airs have different chargers.

Its a shame that the chargers that have worked for friends iPhones and I pads cannot also work for the iPad air. I dare say a fair bit of rubbish is generated and money made is made on things like upgraded chargers, car chargers and sundries for technology that is upgraded in regular upgrades not because of function but comparability.

Although th e iPad air is nice and light and shiny I won't be rushing out to upgrade btw)

Is the iPad air using the new "lightning" connector, like the iPhone 5 and iPad 4, etc?

If so then it's simply that Apple decided to change to a new, smaller connector. I had to buy some new USB cables.

(BTW, don't be tempted by the cheapo replacement cables; I had one which broke, and ended up buying genuine Apple anyway.)

prowla

shaggydoo wrote: »

Just because it's repairable doesn't mean that is the cheapest thing or most MSE thing to do. Often the cheapest thing to do is to buy a new more economical model - you'll save much more on electricity in the longer run....it's a false economy to run an old energy guzzling appliance...and the council will recycle all the old metal from your old appliance...

Sure - I meant whether it's viable to repair it.

prowla

shaggydoo wrote: »

If you can't understand the difference between the 42 year old TV and today's TV - well I'm just speechless...

Tbh - no offense - but I'm glad the world isn't run by people like you as we would still live in caves as no-one would ever see the point in changing anything...

My TV is 42...

...inches.

prowla

ess0two wrote: »

When I say sealed,i mean they are sealed into the drum and cannot be removed without destroying the drum.

Sure - some parts are replaceable and some aren't; I pointed out a couple of things which I found I could replace, and you pointed out something which isn't.