Appealing NTK by PE

raptor

Hello guys, I’ve used MSE in the past but this is my first post on the forums. Firstly i am pleasantly surprised at how supportive this website is and how much time you have all dedicated to this section in particular and would like to thank everyone for all the well presented information.

I have spent all afternoon reading the forums including:

NEWBIES!! PRIVATE PARKING TICKET? EVEN AN OLD ONE? ***READ THIS FIRST*** Thankyou!

the information is quite detailed but today is my last day to pay the reduced charge of £60 and i was wondering if its better of paying this than making an appeal and later paying £100 if i loose.

I have prepared my appeal to PE using parkingcowboys template letter and unless i am advised to just pay the reduced fee i will be sending it in via their website.

Background

The driver parked on Breightmet street car park at 7pm on Sunday the 22/12/13 for over 4 hours without purchasing any parking ticket. Quite simply it was my cousins wedding do and we drove into the car-park (directly next door) without noticing that it was a pay and display as it was night and we did not see the sign. Furthermore i really didn’t expect any car park to be still charging on Sunday at 7pm as most car parks don’t operate in these hours. I have now checked the sign on Google and it does not state it was a 24 hour car-park. I am apparently not the only one who did not realize and a couple of other people who attended the wedding also were fined and have already paid there fees.


Should I send in the appeal or should i just pay the reduced amount?

regards

Raptor

EDIT: I’ve got picture of the car park but can’t upload them as I’m a newbie

Redx

neither

send them this stroma version instead

Dear Parking Eye,

As the registered keeper of (reg) I'm in receipt of your parking invoice xxxxxx dated xxxxxx. I wish to invoke your appeals process as all liability to your company is denied on the following:

1) The amount being claimed is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss to your company or the landowner
2) Your signage does not comply with the BPA Code of Practice
3) You are not the landowner and do not have the capacity to offer contracts or to bring a claim for trespass

These points and others will be raised with Popla should you not accept this appeal, and you will be expected to provide a full breakdown of your alleged loss, and your full unredacted contract with the landowner.

If you do reject the challenge and insist upon taking the matter further I must inform you that I may claim my expenses from you. The expenses I may claim are not exhaustive but may include the cost of stamps, envelopes, travel expenses, legal fees, etc. By continuing to pursue me you agree to pay these costs when I prevail.

Please issue your cancellation within 35 days of this letter, or forward a popla verification code.

Faithfully

never state or imply who the driver was either

you can also add a point about the signage , saying you have checked it as RK but dont mention the driver not paying etc, its all adding to their evidence

remember the old adage, "NO COMMENT" !!!

ps:- nobody was fined !! they are not allowed by law to fine you, only a court or judge can FINE you

its a parking charge invoice

edit, you can put the photos on photobucket or similar and just add the link to here in non-clickable format

bear in mind anything on google may be out of date

bod1467

As above.

BTW - it's not the last day you can pay the reduced charge of £60 - it's the first day you can realise you don't need to pay ANYTHING.

PS - I must need glasses. I thought this thread was titled Appalling NTK by PE. :rotfl:

Umkomaas

I have prepared my appeal to PE using parkingcowboys template letter and unless i am advised to just pay the reduced fee i will be sending it in via their website.

If it's the one that starts 'Without prejudice, save as to costs', followed by a list of questions for the PPC, forget it. It's too long, it can be misconstrued as not constituting an appeal, PE will have seen hundreds of them. The 'without prejudice' is totally out of context at this juncture. It's likely to prolong things rather than conclude them.

Use Redx's suggestion above.

raptor

Thanks for the quick and detailed advice guys. I'll be sending in the appeal as redx has specified.

raptor

Umkomaas wrote: »

If it's the one that starts 'Without prejudice, save as to costs', followed by a list of questions for the PPC, forget it. It's too long, it can be misconstrued as not constituting an appeal, PE will have seen hundreds of them. The 'without prejudice' is totally out of context at this juncture. It's likely to prolong things rather than conclude them.

Use Redx's suggestion above.

That was the one I was referring to. I had cut bits out to personalise it but ill scrap it and go with redx's one

kirkbyinfurnesslad_2

Its also worth sending a copy in the post , as they often loose stuff.

When you get your rejection come back here for help on how to win at Popla

bod1467

kirkbyinfurnesslad wrote: »

Its also worth sending a copy in the post ...

... and getting a (free) certificate of posting from the PO. No need to send recorded/registered - in fact it is better NOT to do so as PPCs have a habit of not signing for them, so the appeal would not be received.

Coupon-mad

raptor wrote: »

I am apparently not the only one who did not realize and a couple of other people who attended the wedding also were fined and have already paid there fees.

What naïve idiots they must be...by the way, we win 100% of POPLA appeals and you will too, this is easy.

Fined? Fees?! Neither!

raptor

bod1467 wrote: »

... and getting a (free) certificate of posting from the PO. No need to send recorded/registered - in fact it is better NOT to do so as PPCs have a habit of not signing for them, so the appeal would not be received.

Will do. Naughty PPC's

raptor

Coupon-mad wrote: »

What naïve idiots they must be...by the way, we win 100% of POPLA appeals and you will too, this is easy.

Fined? Fees?! Neither!

Awesome you just made my day! (or night) :j