paid for parking but still received the ticket

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smc217 wrote: »

Well, at that point I don't want to chose any of three options in making my point:

1) The charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss
2) Your signage is inadequate and does not comply with the BPA Code of Practice
3) You do not have authority or contract to issue these invoices

Reasons are simple.
1) It was not near the shop. It was a dedicated parking area (private)
2) I was aware that I had to pay
3) I paid

So at this point I will pursue PE into showing me evidence that they did not receive my payment. I wonder how they will respond. If they don't keep track of payments then they have no way of proving. If they keep just an excel sheet, then it does not prove anything because the excel sheet can be easily edited and forged.

By the way does anyone know of any regulations that state how long should the customer keep receipts for? I know a lot of ppl have already advised me to keep them for months, and I will in future, but this is common sense. What I am asking, is there a regulation?

Oh, and once again THANK YOU

going back to the points in red ,

point 1) what has this got to do with any shop ?

we know you parked on private land, presumably to go to a shop, but this genuine pre-estimate of loss is about your perceived trespass or not following the parking company "RULES" , like not complying with inputting the registration of the car for example

nobody mentioned any shop as far as I can see, as clearly this is a dispute between yourself , the parking company, and the landowner ultimately

as for point 3

you say you paid, they say you didnt pay, they have proof that their ticket machine has no payment for the reg number on the anpr, they also have anpr pictures too, you say you paid but have no proof to counter their proof , as you threw away the ticket you paid for , so all the proof is on their side and you have nowt, nothing , nada (sorry to be blunt) , NO PROOF to refute their proof !

so point 3) is to make them prove that they have the landowners legal permission to issue tickets, to issue a PCN, to go to court if necessary , to actually prove they have the right to give you all this hassle in the first place

so my point 3) was about them proving all what I just said, not about if you paid or not as point 1) deals with that issue in that its about the losses incurred by the landowner themselves (if any), Point 3 purely deals with their legal rights to do what they are doing, or not

what do you think a judge would say if it actually went to court ?

he would ask them to prove if you paid , or not, and any proof would be ticket machine records and anpr timestamped pictures, both of which they have

he would ask you to prove you paid (you cannot do this)

BUT he (or you) would also ask them to proveWHY they have issued the court papers in the first place, prove their legal authority to do so, also to prove the loss they put on your PCN is valid under BPA rules (it isnt) , to prove their signage tells you how to input the vehicle reg number , to prove their ticket machine wasnt faulty , etc etc

those are the reasons why it should all be included , but we can only advise you about this and you are at liberty to ignore this advice ( but in that case why ask for it ? )

the point here is that we are 99% sure they will reject your arguments, refuse to give you any proof , and issue a popla code , no matter what you say or do !!!

that is what they usually do, unless confronted by physical proof, and you dont have any (sorry to be blunt again, but it needed spelling out)

I am not being awkward here, merely pointing it out in plain english on the assumption you know nothing, yet I am no expert !!