Advice on CPP charge

spartanheed

Hi, my wife received a fine for parking at a university in a lease car on 22/11/12

She has since received the following letters:

1 - 7/2/13 Notice to Keeper £80
2 - 4/4/13 Keeper liability notice £80
3 - 16/5/13 Final reminder £80
4 - 18/6/13 Notice of Legal Proceedings from ICC Legal Services £96

Nothing more for 6 months until yesterday

5 - 19/12/13 PS&P Debt Collectors £116

We initially followed the advice on here of ignore, ignore, ignore. However I'm a little concerned to see that the advice has now changed to 'do not ignore'!

The initial ticket price was 50p so asking for £116 is frankly ridiculous. My wife hasn't even owned the lease car for 6 months!

What should my next course of action be?

Thanks

Redx

spartanheed wrote: »

What should my next course of action be?

Thanks

to read the sticky thread at the top of this forum called NEWBIES-READ THIS NOW by coupon-mad, then follow it

clearly its too late to deal with the matter using a soft appeal and popla (or it seems to be) in which case you ignore DR letters and only come back for help if the legal letters arrive (the ones you DO NOT IGNORE)

thats my view anyway

ps:- it is NOT a fine , its a parking charge invoice

its not a fine , never was and never will be either, only courts can fine you

its also worth noting that leasing the car or not is irrelevant

its the actual charge they issued for parking there with said vehicle they are chasing, in this case , the driver , NOT the car

to put it another way, if you caused abh using a knife, then sold the knife or no longer owned it (or loaned it), do you believe that the ownership (or loan of the knife) is relevant to the charge ? I think not

spartanheed

Redx wrote: »

to read the sticky thread at the top of this forum called NEWBIES-READ THIS NOW by coupon-mad, then follow it

clearly its too late to deal with the matter using a soft appeal and popla (or it seems to be) in which case you ignore DR letters and only come back for help if the legal letters arrive (the ones you DO NOT IGNORE)

thats my view anyway

ps:- it is NOT a fine , its a parking charge invoice

its not a fine , never was and never will be either, only courts can fine you

I've already read that but it's unclear which part applies to my current situation? This has been going on for 13 months now

Thanks

Redx

the part about ignoring DR letters , that part

13 months is nothing, its likely that all these types of cases go on for 13 months or more, they have up to 6 years to pursue the claim so thats one-sixth of the total time

the law changed in oct 2012 so clearly the correct course of action (with hindsight of course) was to appeal to the PPC and then to popla, meanwhile insisting to the landowner to get the charge dropped

coupon-mad also says in that sticky that it is NEVER TOO LATE TO APPEAL TO THE PPC (or landowner)

so is that relevant ? I would say so yes

NEWBIES!! PRIVATE PARKING TICKET? EVEN AN OLD ONE? ***READ THIS FIRST***


If you have letters from any debt collector such as Debt Recovery Plus or Zenith or Roxburghe, and are on the face of it, too late to 'appeal', then (if in England/Wales) appeal anyway to the PPC! and as for the DC, either ignore them or robustly respond. As well as the links shown (click on the blue words), here's a strong response to send if the PPC says you appealed 'too late' and it's now with a debt collector:

also, read the replies in this thread about DR letters, the same applies to you too

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4674635

Stroma

spartanheed wrote: »

I've already read that but it's unclear which part applies to my current situation? This has been going on for 13 months now

Thanks

How has it been going on for 13 months when the ticketing happened at the beginning of the year? Your current situation is to ignore it unless you get a compliant letter before claim. This can't be from debt collectors as the alleged debt is not theirs, and they cannot issue a small claim. All debt collectors do is send letters.

Think about this logically, if they had a valid claim why wait all this time? Why don't they do what they threaten ? Simple really the amount they are trying to scam you is an unlawful penalty, and they never go to court.

Redx

presumably from the first line - 22 nov 2012 (the date the car was parked up)

I assume it was a windscreen ticket ? (although the OP never said)

Hi, my wife received a fine for parking at a university in a lease car on 22/11/12

She has since received the following letters:

1 - 7/2/13 Notice to Keeper £80
2 - 4/4/13 Keeper liability notice £80
3 - 16/5/13 Final reminder £80
4 - 18/6/13 Notice of Legal Proceedings from ICC Legal Services £96

but as you quite rightly say, its just a threatogram from a DR company

spartanheed

Thanks for the replies.

I have 2 conflicting pieces of advice now though

One of you says to complain to the PPC and request a POPLA code

The other says to continue to ignore?

Which should I do?

Thanks

Redx

spartanheed wrote: »

Thanks for the replies.

I have 2 conflicting pieces of advice now though

One of you says to complain to the PPC and request a POPLA code

The other says to continue to ignore?

Which should I do?

Thanks

the ignore part relates to DR , not the PPC

the PPC is the creditor (or the landowner really) - you have not written to either from what I can see

the advice actually is what coupon mad clearly wrote in the sticky thread

ie:- its never too late to complain to the PPC

and to ignore the DR letters (or to refute them robustly)

the choices are yours , but bear in mind the PPC is unlikely to offer a popla code, but it would go in your favour if it went to court if you asked for mediation by popla, and had been refused , better than IGNORE , IGNORE anyway

only you can decide

Stroma

Okay missed the date lol

They are out of time with the notice to keeper as it must be with you by day 56 after parking, so they cannot hold the keeper liable. And as they are stating pofa 2012 they are acting unlawfully!

So scan your letters in including the original ticket and write to the bpa and dvla on the conduct of the parking company, don't admit to being the driver just state yourself as the RK of the car

foi@dvla.gsi.gov.uk
aos@britishparking.co.uk

Redx

but he states it was a leased car, so I was wondering if the NTK went to the hire company and they named the driver to cancel any claim on themselves (hence the delay)

not being picky, just my take on it, but as the OP never mentioned this , he also never mentioned if a windscreen ticket was issued, then I believe he needs to clarify the details more fully first before any letters are sent anywhere

I agree he mentions the NTK but as the car was leased then surely that means neither of them are the keeper/owner ?

just checking (honest) lol

spartanheed

Yes, it was a windscreen ticket. I no longer have this unfortunately. The care was on private hire from Citroen so I think my wife was actually the registered keeper. So the 56 days should still apply?