Dog fight aftermath.

Paradigm

Ok a quick update...

I went round last night & a full/frank discussion was had. As I said earlier, it's always the wife I see out with it & the guy didn't seem to know that his dog had a problem with mine or that she never took it out on the lead... she was there & I asked her to confirm that it was true, so did he.

I told him that, under the circumstances, I didn't think that I was responsible for any of the vet bill & that in future perhaps a lead would be in order.

I asked how his dog was & it's had a couple of stitches in a wound on the back of it's neck & a couple in a gash on it's leg.

Understandably, he's still not happy but his attitude changed slightly &, while I don't think we're best mates, things ended better than the 1st meeting.

I got the impression that his wife wasn't looking forward to their next conversation.

Paradigm

JencParker wrote: »

They don't have the right to do the damage these two dogs appear have done.

Initially I thought things were much worse than they are & part of the reason I considered paying towards the bill.

JencParker wrote: »

A dog bouncing up to another may well deserve a telling off, but not damage, so yes, I would recommend these dogs are muzzled. The fact they are littermates does add to the problem.

My dogs will tell off other rude dogs, but none have every left so much as a scratch on another dog.

There's a difference between rude & aggressive. This dog didn't "bounce" towards us, it ran at full tilt a good 500-600 yds & I certainly got the impression it meant business. If it had done it's usual charging round in circles then mine would never have got near it but it flew straight at him, he just stood his ground.

As for muzzles, if they had been wearing them it could well be me with the big vet bill.

mellymoo74

speaking as someone who had dogs damaged by a dangerous dog off lead that decided to attempt to gut one and tear the throat out of another of my dogs. I also wouldnt muzzle them if my girl had been muzzled she would be dead.

wilykit

I would definitely no offer to pay a penny.

You were the responsible dog owner with your dogs on leads, she is clearly irresponsible and has now learnt her lesson the hard way, at the expense of both money and injuries to all dogs.

I always keep my dog on a lead, and if a dog where to attack him I know I wouldn't offer to pay a penny. I also wouldn't muzzle my dogs either, as clearly they wouldn't be able to defend themselves if this happened again.

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blossomsuz

JencParker wrote: »

They don't have the right to do the damage these two dogs appear have done. A dog bouncing up to another may well deserve a telling off, but not damage, so yes, I would recommend these dogs are muzzled. The fact they are littermates does add to the problem.

My dogs will tell off other rude dogs, but none have every left so much as a scratch on another dog.

So the OP's dogs are already on a lead not causing a problem now you require them to be muzzled too?


Seems to me the OP's dog would have been badly damaged if that was the case at the start. The collie should have been on a lead and the whole incident would never have happened.


You are stating that the victim (OP's dog) should be punished here when surely the owners of the collie are at fault.


The fact that the OP has larger dogs may be a blessing as had it attacked a smaller dog we may have not just been looking at a few stitched up gashes.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

JencParker wrote: »

They don't have the right to do the damage these two dogs appear have done. A dog bouncing up to another may well deserve a telling off, but not damage, so yes, I would recommend these dogs are muzzled. The fact they are littermates does add to the problem.

My dogs will tell off other rude dogs, but none have every left so much as a scratch on another dog.

again ill point out the OP said that this collie had been off the lead in every encounter, the dog got more and more aggressive like as the encounters went on still the owner did NOT put the dog on the lead.


they DO have the right to defend themselves just like you have a right to defend yourself as its an animal its more natural to a dog to fight back, they are not like cats flight or fight.

JencParker

blossomsuz wrote: »

So the OP's dogs are already on a lead not causing a problem now you require them to be muzzled too?


Seems to me the OP's dog would have been badly damaged if that was the case at the start. The collie should have been on a lead and the whole incident would never have happened.


You are stating that the victim (OP's dog) should be punished here when surely the owners of the collie are at fault.


The fact that the OP has larger dogs may be a blessing as had it attacked a smaller dog we may have not just been looking at a few stitched up gashes.

I can't see anything that indicates the OP's dogs would have been damaged. The OP said that the collie was known as a nuisance not in an aggressive way, it's a bit of a "nutter" for want of a better word. It races up to other dogs then runs round them in circles, playing I suppose?

I have never said the OP's dogs were to blame As they were on lead, they were under control (or should have been) - that control didn't stop them from doing some serious damage to another dog while receiving no injuries themselves.

Where have I said they should be punished? I have never said that.

Edited to add... the OP has also said that the damage done was not as severe as he first thought. Fair enough, but I still think there should be caution - this still sounds like an overreaction by the two on lead dogs which would be a cause for concern.

Paradigm

JencParker wrote: »

I can't see anything that indicates the OP's dogs would have been damaged. The OP said that the collie was known as a nuisance not in an aggressive way, it's a bit of a "nutter" for want of a better word. It races up to other dogs then runs round them in circles, playing I suppose?

The OP also added.....

If it had done it's usual charging round in circles then mine would never have got near it but it flew straight at him, he just stood his ground.

JencParker wrote: »

Edited to add... the OP has also said that the damage done was not as severe as he first thought. Fair enough, but I still think there should be caution - this still sounds like an overreaction by the two on lead dogs which would be a cause for concern.

It is a cause for concern, I don't like my dogs biting anythng but then I don't know what I could have done to avoid it. If there's a way of teaching a dog to defend itself gently I'm all ears.
I reckon a few weeks of frustration, on both sides, exploded into a 30 second incident

I've been out with them several times since, meeting other dogs & they're as they always were... pretty much ignoring everything & doing their own thing.

Things could have been a lot worse & I'm pretty relieved that it's turned out like it has.

candygirl

meritaten wrote: »

I wouldn't pay either - its the law that dogs must be on leads in public places - and they didn't obey that and THIER dog caused a fight. Whether it only intended to play or not - their dog was off lead and NOT under control.
and as to muzzling your two - that's insane! they aren't dangerous unless attacked! as others have pointed out - how can they defend themselves or you if they are muzzled? they haven't been known to attack defenceless dogs or people have they?

Totally agree!Dont pay the bill, and don't muzzle your two, who were only defending themselves:(

Person_one

Paradigm wrote: »

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The OP also added.....





It is a cause for concern, I don't like my dogs biting anythng but then I don't know what I could have done to avoid it. If there's a way of teaching a dog to defend itself gently I'm all ears.
I reckon a few weeks of frustration, on both sides, exploded into a 30 second incident

I've been out with them several times since, meeting other dogs & they're as they always were... pretty much ignoring everything & doing their own thing.

Things could have been a lot worse & I'm pretty relieved that it's turned out like it has.

What led to both of them getting involved? Was one person holding both leads?