Nice People Thread Number 10 -the official residence of Nice People

vivatifosi

lostinrates wrote: »

Where we still use 'oriental' others use, Asian. Elsewhere in English speaking worl oriental is considered unPC, or....offensive.

Maybe I'm getting old but I would use oriental. Similarly, I would not be upset if someone referred to me as occidental. I would be more concerned about, say , calling someone Chinese who is actually Korean.

Doozergirl

zagubov wrote: »

Do not be alarmed. It is a requirement that all Nice People must either like or dislike mushrooms and must either live inside Hertfordshire or outside it. We've set the entry requirements deliberately low as you'll have noticed.

I love your posts

vivatifosi

michaels wrote: »

There is a (national statistics) standard list of ethnic groupings, the police recently switched to using it after years of using their own groupings than used to mean it was impossible to compare data sets.

Yes, that's the one we use at work. It is still flawed though. You can't for example be a mix of British and Romany.

lostinrates

vivatifosi wrote: »

Maybe I'm getting old but I would use oriental. Similarly, I would not be upset if someone referred to me as occidental. I would be more concerned about, say , calling someone Chinese who is actually Korean.

Personally I think as with mod things, ANY thing can be an insult if intended to be and the words we dare not whisper I have lived in situations where they have Ben used inoffensively.

I wouldn't call anyone anything ( out loud* I meant offensively and would try not o become ruffled by something I found offensive directed at me. While I defend the right of people to be referred to in socially accepted terms of ' acceptability' its a bit silly a times.

Korean people IME particularly dislike being mistaken for japenese. Which, generally, IME, is a harder distinction to draw purely visually.

I really am fascinated by the sort of gene tests that are meant to show your genetic country of origins. I'd love one done to see how it reflects what I know about my family tree. I find 'phenotype expression' of people's country of origins fascinating. I've tyes and restyled this several times and however I try and explain it I sound more new nazi than curious wonderment at the brilliance of people's travel and history, which is what it actually is (the latter) and how this can show in the gene expression of an individual. I find that......amazing. Like a treasure, a magic person in fairy tales who unites people.


*i reserve the right to think of people as silly, annoying or other offensive things based on personality. Couldn't give a blip what 'phenotype expression' wrapper the annoying or not personality comes in.

vivatifosi

lostinrates wrote: »

Personally I think as with mod things, ANY thing can be an insult if intended to be and the words we dare not whisper I have lived in situations where they have Ben used inoffensively.

I wouldn't call anyone anything ( out loud* I meant offensively and would try not o become ruffled by something I found offensive directed at me. While I defend the right of people to be referred to in socially accepted terms of ' acceptability' its a bit silly a times.

Korean people IME particularly dislike being mistaken for japenese. Which, generally, IME, is a harder distinction to draw purely visually.

I really am fascinated by the sort of gene tests that are meant to show your genetic country of origins. I'd love one done to see how it reflects what I know about my family tree. I find 'phenotype expression' of people's country of origins fascinating. I've tyes and restyled this several times and however I try and explain it I sound more new nazi than curious wonderment at the brilliance of people's travel and history, which is what it actually is (the latter) and how this can show in the gene expression of an individual. I find that......amazing. Like a treasure, a magic person in fairy tales who unites people.


*i reserve the right to think of people as silly, annoying or other offensive things based on personality. Couldn't give a blip what 'phenotype expression' wrapper the annoying or not personality comes in.

I think people now are by nature heterogeneous and that the boxes no longer keep up with what we all are. Personally I like to be more specific than Asian, as there are lots of Asians... plus if you go to Australia, everyone who is there that is not one of them is called Asian. Whereas by dint if where they are Australians are Asians too, geographically if not ethnically. It is confusing.

I think the offence point you made is right. I would hope not to offend anyone but do worry about doing it accidentally.

ETA 're the gene test, this is something we have been looking at for some time. I think my dad would be the one who would need to take it though as I do not inherit his Y line DNA and it is his mitochondrial DNA rather than my mum's which is most interesting. In addition to being brought up Romany, my grandmother looked like an albino aboriginal and reportedly had relatives in Kenya, so goodness knows what that would chuck up (please don't quote this para may delete later as v specific).

It makes me laugh really. I tick the white British box because that's the best fit, but only because there's no box that sums me up.

Generali

Tahlullah wrote: »

Hello and welcome. I too come here because of the bad taste that is left in the mouth after reading other threads. Probably not the place to say it because we are expected to be respectful of each other here and leave our garbage at the door, but if not here, then where?

I have come close to leaving this site on several occasions. We are shocked and saddened when we hear of children who are bullied to the extreme when at scool and express disbelief that it can happen without someone, a parent or teacher noticing. But it does happen and the bully goes unchallenged and becomes an adult. And that adult comes onto these forums and perpetuates the learned behaviour. And it goes unchallenged. Or if challenged, they bully to such an extent that the person who dares say anything retreats because there is no support, no backup, no redress.

I can't even begin to express my dismay at the way others are treated. As if they are stupid, or undeserving. They are even told so and labelled as such.
Yes, I have stuck my head above the parapet before and have on more than one occasion received it full barrel. Why? Because the bully doesn't even realise they are a bully and possibly teaching their children that this is acceptable behaviour, the way to communicate with others who do not support your point of view. And so it continues, never to end. The cycle of repression.

This is the only place on this site where you can feel safe. I am glad I found it.

Welcome to the thread.

TBH, that's pretty much what the internet's like. Full of Keyboard Ninjas.

michaels

AFAIK in France it is illegal to collect stats on race as this is seen as racist. Doesn't seem to have worked in terms of avoiding racial prejudice in France.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

AFAIK in France it is illegal to collect stats on race as this is seen as racist. Doesn't seem to have worked in terms of avoiding racial prejudice in France.

It's because the data were used to avoid giving jobs, Uni places etc. to North Africans.

Now they use their address (North Africans are often ghettoized) and surname to try to do the same thing.

tomterm8

Christmas cake eaten.
Decorations down.
Tree chucked out for burning...

That's the holiday over, pretty much.

PasturesNew

michaels wrote: »

So are you properly online now niks?

When are NP taking down their decorations, I know LIR has been doing it in bits for a week, we are going to do it tomorrow.

12th night - although there are two schools of thought as to when that is ... it's either today or tomorrow.