Buy To Let-The scourge of Britain..pic

Pssst

Take a look at this picture...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dooper786/BTL.jpg

This street is in North Manchester,only about three or four miles north of the busy City centre. It is just a small snapshot of this general area. There are rows and rows of similar streets in this area just like it. Good quality terraced housing,all shuttered up and all awaiting demolition.

This scenario is repeated all over Manchester and probably in other parts of the country also.

I can recall,in the Thatcher years that all these properties were owner occupied,all proudly maintained by their occupants,streets relatively clean,some sense of community and relatively little crime compared to today. Slowly the occupants got old,moved away or died. The era of the buy to let landlord was about to be born, fuelled by a housing benefits system that was overly generous and open to abuse.

People had greater expectations of life and many didnt see why they had to work for what they wanted-nor accept their position in life.

Many would rent such homes,areas became degraded and the rest of the owner occupiers would either flee as their property prices fell,or else be driven out by the worst excesses of their new neighbours.

The overly generous housing benefit system fuelled this market for a number of years until Government seized control and limited the amount that could be paid in benefits to landlords. Suddenly the rich pickings were not so rich,rent prices dropped,houses were abandoned or not maintained. By this time such houses had very little value as bricks and mortar. They were just a vehicle by which landlords could obtain payments from the state for housing benefit claimants. Soon,as pictured, the houses became empty,were vandalised,burned out,squatted or used as drug dens.

Well meaning councils compulsory purchased great blocks of them and earmarked them for demolition. They had a plan. They could sell vast tracts of land which they had obtained cheaply under compulsory purchase, and sell it for huge profits for private big building PLC's to landbank for development. Part of the deal of course was that such developers had to produce a proportion of the new homes for social housing. (New houses for dolehoppers)

So then everyone is happy. Landlords get rid of useless houses and get some money from councils,councils buy old houses and land cheaply and sell the land for big profits,developers get precious land for development and so increase share price and profits, councils get a pat on the back for producing social housing, lazy !!!!less ner to wells get a brand spanking new house for nothing-everyones a winner.

Or are they?

Well there are two clear losers. One knows he is a loser and the other will eventually know he is a loser.

The first loser is the original owner occupier who's home value was develued as a result of BTL landlords and over generous housing benefits schemes.

The second loser is the poor soul who flogs his/her guts out to buy a new home,only to find when they move in ,that a proportion of their neighbours are social housing tenants who are getting the same,but for free.

The cycle is now being repeated. Houses such as these are now being let out to asylum seekers. They are the new comers to be exploited.

Of course there was a time when housing benefit claimants knew their place and were glad of a home on a council estate. Not now though. They have greater expectations.

Not long ago,.i was in a terraced house occupied by a young teenage mother and her bullet headed boyfriend. The house was a tip and the girl was mouthing off about the effing P**i landlord,etc etc,racist ignorant rantings. Her mother,obviously concerned at what she had spawned,dared to suggest that her daughter go to the local council to see if she could get help there. Her response,along the lines of..." I'm not living in no effing council house, I've seen a nice semi. and i have seen the landlord. The social will pay most of the rent and we'll make the rest up out of our (your!) money"

So then, The modern day buy to let landlord has distorted the market. Dolehopping wastes of space can now aspire to apartments and semis near to where you, the hard workers and achievers live.

BTL landlords are happy to inflict misery on YOU whilst they take profits and live somewhere nice,away from all that nastiness.

BTL landlords are blighting previously nice places to live. Ordinary hard working people are having to take flight from the worst excesses of their tenants.

Who are the mugs in this game?

keeperbear

Yawn, boring. Can someone please post something with a bit of evidence behind it.

pickles110564

I am very sorry for helping, if be it on a very small scale, to this awful mess.
I probably think it is time to cash in my very small amount of BTL's and just move straight into renovations or buying plots of land for new build's

CB1979_2

is this your speech Mr Blair to get elected as EU president?

if so it's rubbish!

epz_2

so pretty much its totally the fault of the council, if they didnt pay people such high benifits or built council houses and told people to live there or work the btl would have no income stream.

also if they had not compulsiory purchased the land then it would have been sold off cheap to new home buyers and developers who would have reinvigorated the area.

dont get me wrong, i think BTL's in general are parasites but your example and the lack of housing/bank regulation in general is responsable for the conditions the operate in.

rule of thumb is if you want to see how incompitant and costly you can make something have the government do it, anyone remember blowing £1billion on a tent (well they called it a dome ).

amcluesent

> The second loser is the poor soul who flogs his/her guts out to buy a new home...<

I'm always puzzled about those getting a 5x 100% mortgage to buy a £250,000 brown-field flat in a gated-community in Southwark and Rotherhide to get a a fine view of council flat tenants enjoying themselves on benefits.

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Pssst wrote: »

Take a look at this picture...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dooper786/BTL.jpg

This street is in North Manchester,only about three or four miles north of the busy City centre. It is just a small snapshot of this general area. There are rows and rows of similar streets in this area just like it. Good quality terraced housing,all shuttered up and all awaiting demolition.

This scenario is repeated all over Manchester and probably in other parts of the country also.

I can recall,in the Thatcher years that all these properties were owner occupied,all proudly maintained by their occupants,streets relatively clean,some sense of community and relatively little crime compared to today. Slowly the occupants got old,moved away or died. The era of the buy to let landlord was about to be born, fuelled by a housing benefits system that was overly generous and open to abuse.

People had greater expectations of life and many didnt see why they had to work for what they wanted-nor accept their position in life.

Many would rent such homes,areas became degraded and the rest of the owner occupiers would either flee as their property prices fell,or else be driven out by the worst excesses of their new neighbours.

The overly generous housing benefit system fuelled this market for a number of years until Government seized control and limited the amount that could be paid in benefits to landlords. Suddenly the rich pickings were not so rich,rent prices dropped,houses were abandoned or not maintained. By this time such houses had very little value as bricks and mortar. They were just a vehicle by which landlords could obtain payments from the state for housing benefit claimants. Soon,as pictured, the houses became empty,were vandalised,burned out,squatted or used as drug dens.

Well meaning councils compulsory purchased great blocks of them and earmarked them for demolition. They had a plan. They could sell vast tracts of land which they had obtained cheaply under compulsory purchase, and sell it for huge profits for private big building PLC's to landbank for development. Part of the deal of course was that such developers had to produce a proportion of the new homes for social housing. (New houses for dolehoppers)

So then everyone is happy. Landlords get rid of useless houses and get some money from councils,councils buy old houses and land cheaply and sell the land for big profits,developers get precious land for development and so increase share price and profits, councils get a pat on the back for producing social housing, lazy !!!!less ner to wells get a brand spanking new house for nothing-everyones a winner.

Or are they?

Well there are two clear losers. One knows he is a loser and the other will eventually know he is a loser.

The first loser is the original owner occupier who's home value was develued as a result of BTL landlords and over generous housing benefits schemes.

The second loser is the poor soul who flogs his/her guts out to buy a new home,only to find when they move in ,that a proportion of their neighbours are social housing tenants who are getting the same,but for free.

The cycle is now being repeated. Houses such as these are now being let out to asylum seekers. They are the new comers to be exploited.

Of course there was a time when housing benefit claimants knew their place and were glad of a home on a council estate. Not now though. They have greater expectations.

Not long ago,.i was in a terraced house occupied by a young teenage mother and her bullet headed boyfriend. The house was a tip and the girl was mouthing off about the effing P**i landlord,etc etc,racist ignorant rantings. Her mother,obviously concerned at what she had spawned,dared to suggest that her daughter go to the local council to see if she could get help there. Her response,along the lines of..." I'm not living in no effing council house, I've seen a nice semi. and i have seen the landlord. The social will pay most of the rent and we'll make the rest up out of our (your!) money"

So then, The modern day buy to let landlord has distorted the market. Dolehopping wastes of space can now aspire to apartments and semis near to where you, the hard workers and achievers live.

BTL landlords are happy to inflict misery on YOU whilst they take profits and live somewhere nice,away from all that nastiness.

BTL landlords are blighting previously nice places to live. Ordinary hard working people are having to take flight from the worst excesses of their tenants.

Who are the mugs in this game?

The mass birth of the amateur landlord is nothing but a blight on British society. The death of aspiration thats the legacy NuLabour and thier cronies have left for a generation.

scrummy_mummy_2

I blame it all on global warming, the sad lack of training for young British Tennis players and the luck ov edukashun in skoolz.....

At the end of the day, we live in a capitalist society which is inheritantly a dog eat dog ideal....some pigs will ALWAYS be more equal than other pigs....I am doing everything I can to not be Boxer.

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scrummy_mummy wrote: »

I blame it all on global warming, the sad lack of training for young British Tennis players and the luck ov edukashun in skoolz.....

At the end of the day, we live in a capitalist society which is inheritantly a dog eat dog ideal....some pigs will ALWAYS be more equal than other pigs....I am doing everything I can to not be Boxer.

Indeed we do but it doesn't make it right.

thesaint

Pssst wrote: »

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Who are the mugs in this game?

You and anyone who believes the nonsense you wrote?

Snow_Dog

But there always has to be the mugs there for the wolves to fleece

after all, thats what the game is all about.