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vivatifosi

TruckerT wrote: »

How about this - "if Clapton were to bury his head in the sand, would he manage to come up with a grain of common sense"


TruckerT

To be fair ,CLAPTON may be as abrasive at times as course grade sandpaper, but often s/he speaks a lot of sense.

Loughton_Monkey

custardy wrote: »

So licensing wont change that then,so whats the point?
will bikes have ANPR suitable plates fitted to show registered keepers?
How exactly do you see that working day to day?

Easy.

Speed cameras, CCTV, Traffic Light Cameras....

Instead of taking photograph, the camera triggers a large round of tear gas, knocks the miscreant off his bike, giving enough time to get there and sling the cocky cyclist in jail. No need for trial, the camera would have him 'bang to rights'.

Cornucopia

The quantity and speed of cyclists in London now means that they cannot safely share road-space with other road-users (and that includes pedestrians).

A far safer system would see a compulsory scheme of cycle ways, with bans on nearby roads (and pavements).

A cycle speed limit of 15 or 20 mph ought to be introduced on other roads.

Generali

custardy wrote: »

So licensing wont change that then,so whats the point?
will bikes have ANPR suitable plates fitted to show registered keepers?
How exactly do you see that working day to day?

As a regular cyclist (10,000kms/year) I am a firm believer in number plates for bikes.

The reason?

You can make them, as in China, so they split in 2 parts. When you park your bike you remove the top part so if the police see a bike being ridden with only the lower half of the plates intact then they have suspicion that the bike was stolen.

I will always try to go through a red light if I'm in front of a large lorry or a bus and if I have a number plate I'll pay the fine: my safety goes before the Highway Code.

I generally ride assertively and with respect. I don't get into arguments with other road users and if they want to hate on me then I'll leave them to it. However I will take up the road space which I require and if that slows another road user a little then that's their problem. I earn double the average salary and pay plenty of road taxes on my 2 cars so I pay my fair way for the roads.

wotsthat

Generali wrote: »

I generally ride assertively and with respect. I don't get into arguments with other road users and if they want to hate on me then I'll leave them to it. However I will take up the road space which I require and if that slows another road user a little then that's their problem. I earn double the average salary and pay plenty of road taxes on my 2 cars so I pay my fair way for the roads.

I do the same, always turn left on red, take up only the space I need, and try to be considerate to other road users.

I've had virtually no issues with other road users personally. My main problem has been with carelessness - non malicious but being knocked off by a nice person isn't much of a consolation.

You on Strava (https://www.strava.com) gen? Also, interesting guy in Adelaide who's a vegan and seems to be making a fortune posting youtube videos - mainly trolling anyone that thinks eating 30 bananas a day might be a tad obsessive.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_K0S2GbXYI9Fc77d6oRE7w

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyR3pFHGQZbHTXxsqLaC-oA

Kennyboy66

Generali wrote: »

I will always try to go through a red light if I'm in front of a large lorry or a bus and if I have a number plate I'll pay the fine: my safety goes before the Highway Code.

I generally ride assertively and with respect. I don't get into arguments with other road users and if they want to hate on me then I'll leave them to it. However I will take up the road space which I require and if that slows another road user a little then that's their problem. I earn double the average salary and pay plenty of road taxes on my 2 cars so I pay my fair way for the roads.

It is a disproportionately high number of women who die in cycling accidents in London especially those involving lorries.

"Women may be over-represented in (collisions with goods vehicles) because they are less likely than men to disobey red lights."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/may/21/women-cyclists-most-accidents

Some hauliers are at least trying to make their vehicles safer;

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/crossrail-implements-lorry-requirements-to-improve-cycle-safety

A pity that people still wish to blame the victims.

skivenov

As a previous poster wrote, it'll just result in more 3.5 tonne vans on the road in the day. Most LWB's can carry about a tonne, an artic carries more like 20 tonnes. So you lose one artic, and gain 20 vans.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I was behind a truck driver that was transporting a skip this morning. I was enraged as the cretin threw a banana skin out of his window onto the middle of the road. The oaf then dropped a plastic bag full of stuff onto the middle of the road a bit farther on.

I think they should only drive around at night.

Anyway there are different types of cyclists, those who cycle for sport or enjoyment, and those who cycle for economic reasons. This last group I consider to be the most suspicious.

The obvious downfall being the noise of skips being dropped off at 3am, ever heard a skip being dropped on the road? Then magnify that with the still night air.

The transport industry would love to be able to run more stuff at night, they'll get there faster and use less fuel. However, a lot of supermarkets have "no night deliveries" clauses put in place when they applied for planning permission due to people living in the area.

Cornucopia

Kennyboy66 wrote: »

A pity that people still wish to blame the victims.

No - people want to blame the cause.

theEnd

How on earth are lorries allowed on the roads when they can't see around them? A car wouldn't be allowed. If cycling was just invented and you could only see forward (or some of the side, as long as you're not turning) it'd be banned straight away.

Cornucopia

They can see around them - except for the back, obviously.

The nature of these accidents seems to involve cyclists colliding with left-turning vehicles. It seems likely that the cyclist is going too fast to avoid the collision, and the motor vehicle driver has not seen the cyclist (not the same thing as being unable to see them).

There is a further question of the positioning of pavement-mounted railings obstructing a possible escape route for the cyclist in some cases.