Fairness in the workplace

barspeed

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Agree with Annisele, if you're generally happy to do the lates but would like more notice of the earlies, then say so! Or, indeed, if you'd rather not do earlies it sounds as if there are plenty of people happy to do them!

I prefer to do earlys on the basis that the earlier I work the more time after work in the evening I can spend on my caring responsibilities, and in the spirit of fairness and equality everyone does the same rota.

FBaby

If you haven't made a fuss, your manager will assume you are flexible. As most managers want the least fuss, if they think you will do it without moaning whilst the others will give him grief, they will ask you.

You need to go to your manager and say that although you are prepared to do these shifts as you are able too, you require x weeks notice or a rota because you have caring duties.

I believe that if you can indeed show that you regularly care for elderly members of your family, you might be considered differently however, you need to weight out how whatever you insist on will affect your relationship with your manager and colleagues. In brief, you want them to know that you are not going to fit everything around them because you are the last one in, however, you are prepared to be flexible as much as possible to help the team.

Funky_Bold_Ribena

barspeed wrote: »

Names are all fake, the problem is fairness. I have not been given the option. If everyone did the various start and finish times then everyone would be equal.

If you want to change the hours that you are asked to work, for a reason relating to your situation, and you ask and don't get then...you have a problem. But if you are happy to do the hours, then what's the problem?

barspeed

Funky_Bold_Ribena wrote: »

If you want to change the hours that you are asked to work, for a reason relating to your situation, and you ask and don't get then...you have a problem. But if you are happy to do the hours, then what's the problem?

Fairness, I am happy to work late so long as everyone works lates on a rota, why should my caring responsibilities get impacted because of a car parking space?

barspeed

Funky_Bold_Ribena wrote: »

If you want to change the hours that you are asked to work, for a reason relating to your situation, and you ask and don't get then...you have a problem. But if you are happy to do the hours, then what's the problem?

My hours are being changed FROM what I have been working for the last two months.

barspeed

FBaby wrote: »

If you haven't made a fuss, your manager will assume you are flexible. As most managers want the least fuss, if they think you will do it without moaning whilst the others will give him grief, they will ask you.

You need to go to your manager and say that although you are prepared to do these shifts as you are able too, you require x weeks notice or a rota because you have caring duties.

I believe that if you can indeed show that you regularly care for elderly members of your family, you might be considered differently however, you need to weight out how whatever you insist on will affect your relationship with your manager and colleagues. In brief, you want them to know that you are not going to fit everything around them because you are the last one in, however, you are prepared to be flexible as much as possible to help the team.

The manager is benign and temporary, he offered a colleague a new job on the basis that if Jo doesnt get the push, she will resign. He gave her a new post elsewhere and I am left with Jo. I think he is a influenced heavily by the other grief. Maybe I have been to accommodating and need to say either everyone does the same rota on a monthly basis or I dont do earlys at all because 'Its hard to get up in the morning' or I have to wait in for the milkman, crap excuses but no better than the others.

Funky_Bold_Ribena

barspeed wrote: »

My hours are being changed FROM what I have been working for the last two months.

And have you told them that you are unable to make these changes?

marybelle01

barspeed wrote: »

Then today I was informed the 9-5 rota would be on a permanent basis but every month for one week I will be expected to work 730-4 but with only a months notice when this 'early week' will be.

I don't see that a months notice of an early shift is unreasonably short notice.

I can't see what your problem is - you don't actually seem to have any problem with any of the shifts at all, you just want more notice, but a months notice isn't unreasonable. You might prefer not to work lates because of your caring responsibilities (which are shared) but ending work at 5:30 is hardly that late.

I can, however, see what your problem may become - you have 2.5 months employment in this job and complaining about your hours may not be in your best interests since you have no employment protection. It may not seem "fair" that as the last one in you get last call on the shifts your would prefer, but it is hardly uncommon, and "fairness" has little to do with anything. I think it would be unwise to start suggesting that this is discrimination, rather than what it is - the "newbie" often gets last call and that's just life.

Podge52

Would you have taken the job if the hours had been fixed at 9:00am till 5:30pm?

If yes, let the manager know how accommodating you are being just in case you need them to be accommodating in the future and get on with it.

If no then kick up a fuss and try to get the hours you were told you would have, bearing in mind they may see you as a trouble maker and get rid of you.

Whichever you choose I hope it works out ok for you. We spend best part of our lives at work and it really needs to be some place we don't hate going to every day.

aileth

My OH works shifts, and if he used any of those excuses not to do a said shift, his employers would laugh in his face before sending him out the door with his P45.