Wood burner flue TIPS

BuildingFife

1st - it is safer fitted correctly by a competent, qualified engineer, which you are NOT

2nd - building control will not sign off unless the paperwork has been completed by a HETAS registered engineer, with HETAS number included to prove

You came on for tips & have abused every person who has tried to advise you! The way you are ignoring every one of the people advising who have experience in the industry and given and trying to say we are wrong and this should be a DIY installation if it was as straight forward as you think their would be no such thing as the HETAS register.=

Cowboy springs to mind.

JACKHANDYMAN

Common sense basically! If you think you can do it why not! Tips mate! well all i can say is ensure your base and back is heat and fireproof, your chimney is swept and a suitable liner installed and fully sealed and ensure that you have adequate draw from your chimney! Remember that wood burners can get very hot and cause extreme damage if the flue is not regulated! by way of a flap in the flue! Likewise an under exhaust can cause carbon monoxide entering the room! Read the instructions carefully and it will dictate the requirements, which must be used regardless
There maybe some other issues that are required check out any available!
good luc:)k

Rovver125

Our stove was a diy install by the previous owner & has been a nightmare. We're now looking at a huge bill to have it all re-installed next year.

Not saying you're not capable of doing it yourself, just that it needs to be done properly! It's strange behaviour to come on here asking for tips, advice, whatever & then reacting the way you have when people give you their opinion! Most on here aren't vindictive & are just concerned for peoples safety on these matters in my opinion.

Planning & building control at our local council informed us recently that a diy install must conform to part j & satisfy building regs. It is notifiable work & must be certified.

Hetas became members of a competent persons scheme in Oct 2010, meaning they can self certify their own work & the council don't need to get involved.

The thing with any sort of diy is it can become a big issue if you ever come to sell your house. Personally, I'd agree that this sort of work is best left to the pros, but that's just my opinion. Good luck with your installation.

JACKHANDYMAN

Without pre-justice! There is a great deal of Individuals who are more than capable of carrying out many diy works, however the average is less than desired and understand and accept your comments 100%
In and ideal world! paying for such installation cannot be met by many and therefore look for advise to help them install themselves if unsure! I personally don't see any problem with that, if they are capable and understand the legislation requirements required. They also take it upon themselves for any self installation failures that may occur! and are responsible for their actions!

Gloomendoom

BuildingFife wrote: »

2nd - building control will not sign off unless the paperwork has been completed by a HETAS registered engineer, with HETAS number included to prove

Are you sure about this?

BuildingFife

Gloomendoom wrote: »

Are you sure about this?

It is what your told during the HETAS course, so their is no reason in which to dispute this.

Installed by a HETAS installer means they have seen the installation start to finish, building control coming in at the end, can only see whats in front of them & with a stove it isn't just as simple as that.

muckybutt

Cliecost wrote: »

Every part of what you have said is wrong.

• 1st, I've been in touch with the heating engineer who made the site and he said I will be fine.

• 2nd, it's a double walled insulated chimney and they are much safer than internal, so it shows how much you know of this subject to suggest it could set on fire!

• 3rd, building control sign off on this, not a HEATAS engineer. HEATAS engineers don't sign things off as they are trusted to be fully trained.
  
  I pay building control to come out, give suggestions and then they sign off on it at the end.

• 4th, what a 5hitty thing to say to someone who only came on here for tips.
  
  For all you know if am fully capable to do this, having done MANY other things that most people would be scared of without pro help.

To suggest I and anyone else in this home deserve to be burnt alive or die from carbon monoxide poisoning is a horrible thing to say and I certainly hope you get hit by a bus as soon as possible.

Also, it's gyp...

Get a grip ! you are the one spouting off ! where did BF say you deserved to be burnt alive or die from co poisoning ? I cant recall seeing that any where and saying something like that is BANG OUT OF ORDER.

So if you were directed to a web site and it said it's ok to light a fire with petrol would you ? same thing ... just because someone on a website says it's safe doesn't mean it is safe.

It is possible to get fires in twin wall flues - I have swept up after the fire brigade have put the roof fire out ! temps in flue fires can reach well in excess of 1000 deg, I have seen bricks glazed with heat in chimney fires. I have personally been to several fires in external flues, they are by no means fire proof, yes they are insulated so you don't burn your handy pandies but it doesn't guarantee they are fire proof.

You are very wrong next HETAS do sign off installations - they - provided they have the correct training can self certificate saying the install has been installed correctly. The householder is then given a certificate of conformation and are also given a plate that should be affixed to the wall, the plate giving details of flue size, and hearth thickness etc, as well as other information. http://www.hetas.co.uk/consumer/certificate-of-compliance/ Link to their compliance certificates - thank you

From HETAS website :
In England and Wales installation work relating to domestic solid fuel, wood and biomass and the associated systems for heating, controls, hot water etc are subject to Building Regulations. The Approved Documents F, J, L, G, P are applicable and most work is notifiable to the relevant Local Authority. The information notified to them is required for household insurance and the future sale of properties. Where work is carried out by a HETAS Registered Installer, who is registered for the category of work being done, the installer can self-certificate their work via HETAS rather than the customer applying for a Building Notice from their Local Authority. The HETAS route saves a lot of money and time for consumers and gives Registered Businesses an opportunity to charge a fair fee for a professional installation, including the notification process.

NOW WHO's WRONG !

I rest my case your honor !

muckybutt

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vaio

All building regs controlled building service installs be they gas, electrical or wood burner can be done either......

by a member of the relevant self certifying professional organisation who will notify building control and building control will accept the self cert and so need to do little if any inspection.

or, by a DIY'er in which case the householder needs to notify building control and they will inspect the installation at the appropriate stages to make sure it complies to the regs

Cliecost

BuildingFife wrote: »

...building control will not sign off unless the paperwork has been completed by a HETAS registered engineer, with HETAS number included to prove...

That's absolute nonsense. I've been in touch with building control for my area and they tell me they will sign off on my work as long as it meets the guidelines they would set out when they would make their initial visit.