Huzar appeal

chili2001

Vauban wrote: »

Er, because there is no basis in law for this - however personally convenient it might be for your claim.

There doesn't seem to be any basis in law for a lot of things in my opinion. Oh, and nice try but that wouldn't be convenient to me as my claim is just over £1000. No offense to Mr Huzar, as it was his right to appeal against his judgement. But I'm starting to wish that particular can of worms had not been opened.

Vauban

Mr. Huzar has done a great public service. Once the process of the law has run its proper course many folk will have reason to be thankful for his efforts.

I know that the wait is frustrating, but I hope that the 8% interest - and an unambiguous legal precedent that will make it easy to claim - will be worth the patience.

batman44

Vauban wrote: »

Mr. Huzar has done a great public service. Once the process of the law has run its proper course many folk will have reason to be thankful for his efforts.

I know that the wait is frustrating, but I hope that the 8% interest - and an unambiguous legal precedent that will make it easy to claim - will be worth the patience.

Ahh it would be nice to think we would get the intrest, but that is only if it goes to court. I suspect if Jet2 fail then the airlines will only pay out the basic regs amount plus costs. We get nothing for the wait.

chili2001

batman44 wrote: »

Ahh it would be nice to think we would get the intrest, but that is only if it goes to court. I suspect if Jet2 fail then the airlines will only pay out the basic regs amount plus costs. We get nothing for the wait.

That was my thinking too. Considering pre Huzar people on this forum were winning around 95%+ of their claims relying on Wallentin alone then I would have to disagree that Mr Huzar has indeed done a great public service by lighting the touch paper of this unending chain of appeals however good his intentions were. On the whole I have only seen negative media reports claiming higher air costs as a result of the high Court win, and people starting to almost feeling sorry for the airlines. Mine, and the majority of cases on here would have been heard months ago in court or TC would have folded before it went that far as we have seen time and time again. Now we are looking at months/years before we can even think about lifting the stays on our cases. And who's to say that by then the regulations might have been amended further confusing things even more?

glentoran99

chili2001 wrote: »

That was my thinking too. Considering pre Huzar people on this forum were winning around 95%+ of their claims relying on Wallentin alone then I would have to disagree that Mr Huzar has indeed done a great public service by lighting the touch paper of this unending chain of appeals however good his intentions were. On the whole I have only seen negative media reports claiming higher air costs as a result of the high Court win, and people starting to almost feeling sorry for the airlines. Mine, and the majority of cases on here would have been heard months ago in court or TC would have folded before it went that far as we have seen time and time again. Now we are looking at months/years before we can even think about lifting the stays on our cases. And who's to say that by then the regulations might have been amended further confusing things even more?

He wasnt doing it for anyone else, he was fighting for compo like the rest of us, maybe he should have gave up. it was the airline took it to the higher court, not him, if it wasnt his case it would have been someone elses as the airlines fight tooth and nail

chili2001

glentoran99 wrote: »

He wasnt doing it for anyone else, he was fighting for compo like the rest of us, maybe he should have gave up. it was the airline took it to the higher court, not him, if it wasnt his case it would have been someone elses as the airlines fight tooth and nail

Err... I didn't say he was doing it for anyone else, and I have the upmost respect for him for taking on Jet2 after he lost his original small claim. But it started a chain reaction, the airline was always going to take it as far as they could if they lost. If he had gone to Bott and Co in the first place instead of trying to do it himself then we wouldn't be in this long appeals mess now. Of course, all the what ifs in the world won't change a thing now so it doesn't matter how much I moan and rant! Sigh. What if eh?

batman44

Here are my thoughts, It really needed to go this far as I am sure all will be well in the end, if not the pre Huzar and court plus intrest.
I understand delays happen, so no objections to the 3 hour rule, but when it comes down to 24hours stranded in a far away destination and your mindset in geared for home then the hassel of putting back your duty free's checking your baggage out, loading on a bus, checking in an hotel again then going through it all again the next day is a nightmare period.
24 hrs of your life gone and nothing you can do about it! Contacting your relatives from the other side of the world in the middle of the night or whatever and that if you get your phone sorted. So a few hours is not a problem to me, I have slept at an airports due to strikes by ATC's but aircraft breakdowns are somewhat different.
The regulations were introduced purley for the inconvience and believe me there is a lot of it involved. With my particular incident the airline is covering it up and sweeping it under the carpet as if nothing happened, i could of had a business meeting to attend with millions involved. The airlines are not playing ball with this, so good luck to anyone who takes them on no matter how small the claim, for me the time and effort I have put in to this has turned this into a matter of principle.
People forget that you pay for your ticket for them to deliver on what you paid for, a contract, if they do not complete it then there are penalties to pay, that is business and written into many contracts.

zzx

I believe the problem passengers face will be exacerbated by the upcoming review of EC261.
I hazard a guess that the dekay period to qualify for compensation will increase to 5 hours. more worringly the airlines are actively lobbying for technical faults to be EC if they affect safety. Who woud delay or cancel for a technical fault which did not affect safety? So we will be back pre Huzar.
Further the regulation was designed as a deterrent , to encourage airlines to operate with more back up and more headroom on spares, timetable and crew. The airlines did nothing, so now they accept that compensation may be a business cost and factor that into ticket price. Ironic - all pasengers now pay a levy to the airlines to pay for their incompetence.
To this extent 261 has failed, it has not brought about a change in behaviour just a levy on tickets.
We must do what we can to stop 261 being watered down.

JPears

However, if enough people are making claims, then some dunderheads in the airline business may just start to understand that making your airline more efficient FOR THE CUSTOMER by improving on reliability and punctuality (by increasing redundancy, turnaround times, new aircraft et etc) is the better option.
It will only take one or two of the larger airlines to really focus on PASSENGER SATISFACTION and SERVICE before the others start to suffer and sit up and take notice.
Even RA appear to have taken some notice of applying some sort of customer service.
Its not all about cost! No point having a cheap flight if you loose a day or 2 in an airport.

111KAB

JPears wrote: »

However, if enough people are making claims, then some dunderheads in the airline business may just start to understand that making your airline more efficient FOR THE CUSTOMER by improving on reliability and punctuality (by increasing redundancy, turnaround times, new aircraft et etc) is the better option.
It will only take one or two of the larger airlines to really focus on PASSENGER SATISFACTION and SERVICE before the others start to suffer and sit up and take notice.
Even RA appear to have taken some notice of applying some sort of customer service.
Its not all about cost! No point having a cheap flight if you loose a day or 2 in an airport.

Spot on JPears and maybe it is starting to 'work' ....


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