Question time next week

IveSeenTheLight

Jason74 wrote: »

I'm going to start with the assumption that this post is serious, rather than a case of trolling, although the nature of the language means it's hard to be sure.

Welcome to the board Jason (I've not noticed you around)

I'm a bit late in joining this discussion, but it is refreshing to see some very good salient points being made and illiciting some good debate.

Long may you continue to make your points and I look forward to some fair debates.

I wonder if by your user name you are of a similar age to myself and given the age depicted in the OP's thread, our voices would not be heard on QT at the planned televised program.

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I think the point being made is that almost anybody could set up their own small business walking dogs or washing cars or ironing clothes or whatever.

I'll agree with you that most won't.

But I really do believe it is within relatively easy reach of almost everyone.

And that the only real obstacle for most people is their lack of vision or drive, and possibly that as a society we make it too easy not to have to work to survive.

I don't believe it is that easy it's ok for people living in the better off areas to do that but there is still a limit to the amount of work available, for people living in poor areas it is not so easy.

Loughton_Monkey

ukcarper wrote: »

Yes I agree but that is not the same as saying everybody can just go out and set up a business.

Putting on my pedantic mode, that's ambiguous. Do you mean:

(a) Out of every (say) 1,000 people, there would be (say) 150 who for various reasons would find starting a business absolutely impossible.

Or:

(b) Whilst any single person out of (say) 1,000 people could start their own business, but if all 1,000 tried, it just wouldn't work.

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't believe it is that easy it's ok for people living in the better off areas to do that but there is still a limit to the amount of work available, for people living in poor areas it is not so easy.

That's clearer and to an extent right. It's never easy. Difficulties include the sheer hard work of it, but also the 'inginuity' of picking the right business in the right area.

But I'm not sure that rich or poor areas are a major consideration. If you decided to open three businesses: A new kebab shop, next to a payday loan shop, next to a betting shop.... would you tend to locate them in (a) Mayfair, or (b) Peckham?

When poor people need someone to repair their toaster, TV, car, or Bike, they tend not to go to John Lewis, Main Ford Dealer, or Halfords.... they tend to be more comfortable with "the bloke round the corner...."

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't believe it is that easy it's ok for people living in the better off areas to do that but there is still a limit to the amount of work available, for people living in poor areas it is not so easy.

most better off areas in the UK are but a short distance from poorer areas.

ukcarper

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Putting on my pedantic mode, that's ambiguous. Do you mean:

(a) Out of every (say) 1,000 people, there would be (say) 150 who for various reasons would find starting a business absolutely impossible.

Or:

(b) Whilst any single person out of (say) 1,000 people could start their own business, but if all 1,000 tried, it just wouldn't work.



That's clearer and to an extent right. It's never easy. Difficulties include the sheer hard work of it, but also the 'inginuity' of picking the right business in the right area.

But I'm not sure that rich or poor areas are a major consideration. If you decided to open three businesses: A new kebab shop, next to a payday loan shop, next to a betting shop.... would you tend to locate them in (a) Mayfair, or (b) Peckham?

When poor people need someone to repair their toaster, TV, car, or Bike, they tend not to go to John Lewis, Main Ford Dealer, or Halfords.... they tend to be more comfortable with "the bloke round the corner...."

I'm not sure there is a big demand for dog walking or ironing in Peckham.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not sure there is a big demand for dog walking or ironing in Peckham.

by way of example

peckham to chelsea is about 6 miles

peckham to westminster is about 4 miles


and lots and lots of 'rich' areas within easy reach

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

by way of example

peckham to chelsea is about 6 miles

peckham to westminster is about 4 miles


and lots and lots of 'rich' areas within easy reach

I'm sure those nice people in Chelsea would welcome those young lads from Peckham with open arms.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm sure those nice people in Chelsea would welcome those young lads from Peckham with open arms.

I'm sure if those young lads from Peckham make an effort to dress respectably and speak clearly, the nice people in Chelsea will have no idea where they're from....

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm sure those nice people in Chelsea would welcome those young lads from Peckham with open arms.

I'm sure people in chelsea welcome plumbers, builders, hairdressers, shop assistants, police officers, cleaners, cooks, restaurant workers, school teachers, caretakers, security guards, nursery assistants etc from a wide variety of locations including Peckham.
Maybe they do make exceptions for dog walkers.

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'm sure if those young lads from Peckham make an effort to dress respectably and speak clearly, the nice people in Chelsea will have no idea where they're from....

Perhaps not but then if someone turned up at your house and asked to take your laundry home to Iron would you just give it to them without any questions similarly would you let them take your of for a walk.