UKPC Lies

Stroma

Okay from another thread we come across this on their website

Do we really take people to court and win?
Amateur lawyers posting on internet forums often advise people to ignore parking charges, claiming that they’re not enforceable by law. This is bad advice.

In fact we take people to court every month and in most cases the judge finds in our favour, on the basis that:

http://www.ukpcappeals.co.uk/legal

And a list of alleged claims

Name Amount Reference
Connell £314.59 9MA07347
Koloko £307.24 9MA07109
McDonald £293.66 9MA06846
Mohanad £303.55 9MA07114
Morgan £303.83 9MA07345
Patel £308.88 9MA07329
Pledge £303.95 9MA07107
Tomlinson £303.70 9MA06847
Zarafat £293.86 9MA07110
Bailey-Edwards £304.76 9MA08392

Now I would like to know how all these claims have been made when they have issued none?

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/small_claims_from_bpa_aos_member_2#incoming-444525

Now who is telling porkies ? UKPC or the Ministry of Justice? Is this deceptive and worthy of reporting ?

Half_way

If their commercial website is inaccurate then it may be worth complaining to trading standards, it may also fall foul of this
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/advice/advice-business-ftgdsandservicessum15.cfm#

Edit: more information here http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/manchester/bus1item.cgi?file=*BADV042-1111.txt

and here
A guide to the Business Protection from Misleading Marketing Regulations
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/manchester/bus1item.cgi?file=*BADV673-1111.txt

Half_way

And even more


Landmark agreement extends Advertising Standards Agencys’s digital remit

The digital remit of the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) is to be extended significantly to deliver more comprehensive consumer protection online

http://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Media-Centre/2010/ASA-digital-remit-extension.aspx

Half_way

Searching google has thrown up even more, just look at this!!!
http://nutsville.com/2013/03/31/british-parking-association-member-ukpc-in-epic-data-protection-failure/
Ok, to be fair personally i cant see a data protection problem with UKPC and the pictures on that site, as anyone can walk into a public space and take pictures of cars and other things in public view and put them online, and as far as i know there were no details available, such as Registered keeper info. However it does seem highly unprofessional, and not befitting of a professional company.

Stroma

Except they left their entire appeals website to all who could type the word "test' , the fact is though this company are run by incompetents who deserve everything that gets thrown at them

Guys_Dad

Actually, I would not rule out that the Ministry's figures may be inaccurate. Is there any way of checking out the reference numbers they provided?

Can't find much on web that doesn't come from the PPC source.

Half_way

although if no personal data was on that website, i still cant see the problem, however.....

If i was a property manager, looking after a retail site, and I contracted UKPC to provide car park management, and look after my car parks,would my company as principal be liable for any wrong doings by UKPC who would be acting as my agents?

Complaining to, and taking action against wherever possible against the principal/whoever thought it was a good idea to let a PPC loose in their grounds maybe an effective way to deal with the ppc menace.

Umkomaas

Stroma wrote: »

Okay from another thread we come across this on their website



http://www.ukpcappeals.co.uk/legal

And a list of alleged claims

Name Amount Reference
Connell £314.59 9MA07347
Koloko £307.24 9MA07109
McDonald £293.66 9MA06846
Mohanad £303.55 9MA07114
Morgan £303.83 9MA07345
Patel £308.88 9MA07329
Pledge £303.95 9MA07107
Tomlinson £303.70 9MA06847
Zarafat £293.86 9MA07110
Bailey-Edwards £304.76 9MA08392

Now I would like to know how all these claims have been made when they have issued none?

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/small_claims_from_bpa_aos_member_2#incoming-444525

Now who is telling porkies ? UKPC or the Ministry of Justice? Is this deceptive and worthy of reporting ?

Our amateur lawyers' ranks, of course, do include at least one professional (Daisy, take a bow)!

Isn't that Zarafat fella currently in the news?

mo786uk

I would be dubious about relying on the MOJ stats as presented as the claims could have been made udner different names

but you could possibly look at the cases individually with the nubmers given to see what happened. i would be surprised if they were stuid enough to give case nubmers that were fake.

shaun_from_Africa

Stroma wrote: »

Now I would like to know how all these claims have been made when they have issued none?

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/small_claims_from_bpa_aos_member_2#incoming-444525

Now who is telling porkies ? UKPC or the Ministry of Justice? Is this deceptive and worthy of reporting ?

The request for information only covers the period Oct 2012 to Sept 2013.
That list of successful prosecutions (If it's real) is from long ago.
They appear on this webpage from 2010 and could be far earlier than that.
http://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/414069/3.html

Coupon-mad

mo786uk wrote: »

I would be dubious about relying on the MOJ stats as presented as the claims could have been made udner different names

but you could possibly look at the cases individually with the nubmers given to see what happened. i would be surprised if they were stuid enough to give case nubmers that were fake.

We didn't say they were fake cases. It might help to know that this discussion started here today on a person's thread:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4813637

We said on the original linked thread that this started on, that UKPC have never tried court claims to our (long) knowledge and that it seems these are random Manchester Court claims from one particular week/month in 2009 (which you can tell from the codes). We suspect they may have just used cases won by their debt collectors...which could more likely be real cases about mail order defaults and other real debts (unlike fake PCNs). The amounts are too high as well.

General musing...aren't small claims cases always a QT code after the year? So 9MA is perhaps Manchester but NOT small claims track?