UKCPS Parking Fine - Leaving Site

lescm19

aimingforadebtfreelife wrote: »

However you knew you were parking illegally and the signage is crystal clear all to save yourself £5 parking fee. Whenever there is an event on at the Arena the Centertainment security staff doubles to protect the spaces for the people who solely want to use its car park. Hence you were caught.

But aside from 'geniune' cases of bad ticketting and PPC compliance, the grounds for the majority of POPLA appeals seems to be against the punitive and excessive charges anyway, or any other mistakes they seem to make during the process?

Hot_Bring

aimingforadebtfreelife wrote: »

Right, lets put this situation into context.

Valley Centertainment is an entertainment/food park opposite the Sheffield Motorpoint Arena.

As soon as you drive in, from all entrances it is clearly signposted that there is a time limit for stopping and must be visiting one of the places on site and not leave off site at anytime.

Whilst visiting the Arena for a hockey match you decided not to park in the Arena car park and pay the £5 charge and instead chose to park in the Centertainment car park. And when exiting the match by calling in for burger is your claim you were parked legitimately???

I am all for challenges when signage is not clear or the company involved is not playing by the rules. However you knew you were parking illegally and the signage is crystal clear all to save yourself £5 parking fee. Whenever there is an event on at the Arena the Centertainment security staff doubles to protect the spaces for the people who solely want to use its car park. Hence you were caught.

Small but very important point - he didn't park ILLEGALLY !!!

aimingforadebtfreelife

I am intrigued to the new majority of drivers who claim they can park where and when they want claiming its their right to do so. So the genuine users of the park struggle to park because of the self centred drivers who park there to avoid paying a car park charge and claim "so what".

Hot_Bring

aimingforadebtfreelife wrote: »

I am intrigued to the new majority of drivers who claim they can park where and when they want claiming its their right to do so. So the genuine users of the park struggle to park because of the self centred drivers who park there to avoid paying a car park charge and claim "so what".

You seem to have misunderstood ( or have chosen to do so ) - we don't support people not paying the appropriate parking charges - i.e. £1 an hour or so. What we fight against is Private Parking Companies issuing illegal "fines" - companies such as Parking Eye, G24, Combined Parking Services and other such con merchants.

Support them if you like but you might as well also support Nigerian spammers as well.

Stroma

Really ? if you were that intrigued you would find that majority of people don't abuse car parks, you are presuming to much without anything to back up what you think is happening. Have you considered that the reasons why car parks are full in a majority of cases is that 1) it's busy 2) not enough provision has been given ?

You won't find anyone on here saying that an unlawful penalty fits any so called breach of contract! And by the way you have haven't explained why it's illegal to park on private land!

Redx

its certainly not illegal, never has been and never will be

I believe that the term "going off site" should be made illegal , also any other silly terms in these parking issues

people go "off site" for a variety of reasons as has been shown on car parks like wickes etc, whether it be to to to a cashpoint, baby changing facilities, toilets or whatever

to my knowledge this silly petty rule "going off site" has never been upheld by popla or in a court of law

one of the biggest problems here is that the PPC`s see silly rules and other words as being able to trap motorists into paying extortionate amounts of money so the fact is that the "punishment does not fit the crime" in a manner of speaking (if talking about illegality in this context)

there are many instances where we believe the motorist should pay a reasonable fee if they broke a reasonable rule, the OFT thought of this that it would be say £12

so maybe if the PPC sent out a reasonable charge for a reasonable rule break things would be different , but they dont as they want it all their own way to maximise profits and see the motorists as cash cows and so they "farm" them

if they arent going to play fair, they deserve all they get

Stroma

The going off site has been covered a lot of times, but the most quoted one is this one

VCS v Ibbotson
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=16231)

aimingforadebtfreelife

Stroma wrote: »

And by the way you have haven't explained why it's illegal to park on private land!

Would you park on your neighbours driveway? That's private land. ???

Parking on private land relies on the laws of contract and trespass. Such that you have deemed to have accepted the terms by parking your car in such an area if there is adequate signage. Bearing in mind at the car park stated (which has over 1000 spaces) when you enter there is a sign at drivers eye level which is very large stating the terms and conditions for parking and that you agree to them if you choose to park your car there.

The firm sets out its penalty for failing to comply on the sign.

If anyone wants to ignore this then more fool them.

aimingforadebtfreelife

If you class "going off site" as spending 2 hours at an Ice Hockey match at the Arena over the road then surely a charge is justified???

Redx

a charge may well be justified but only if it can be proven in a court of law by the landowner

its quite clear from the pdf in post #18 that this was the case when the judge made his judgement , clearly VCS were not able to prove that case as they did not have the contract to do so, and wickes were not in court

the laws apply to the motorist just as much as the landowner , and its clear that many PPC`s do not comply with the law, otherwise why would judges be holding them in "contempt of court" ? he actually mentions that some of what VCS were doing may be illegal