"it's illegal to control traffic manually at a roadworks site"

goonarmy

It sounds like the op wants a custom traffic light timing system in place. Dangerous. Be patient and leave earlier.

yangptangkipperbang

londonTiger wrote: »

Absolute plebs decided to put a single file traffic light

OP is obviously not an MP if he admits to using the "P" word.......:rotfl::rotfl:

londonTiger

Stooby2 wrote: »

What a charming view you have of other people. The roadworks are quite likely to be emergency works, for example a burst water main. The workers may have been there all night doing their best to get it fixed. They don't usually set up the lights and have no control over it. So you were delayed on your journey. That's life, get over it and have a bit more respect for others.

Whilst anyone can direct traffic, no-one has to comply with their directions if they're just waving their arms. It's only when a police officer, (police) traffic warden, PCSO and to a limited extent, school crosiing patrols are doing the arm waving that you have to comply.

Stop/Go boards are also something you have to comply with, but are costly to use as you need an extra two people to work them, unless the automatic type are used, but then you're back to the same issue of timing.

I work from home so I don't have to suffer this. But I needed to grab something from a builders merchants yesterday and got caught out in rush hour. But the roadworks were there for quite some time now, can recall that paticular construction place being there for at least a week now. They are upgrading the pipes in the entire area at the moment. They dig up one area, work on it, cover it up, and dig up the adjacent area it seems.

I was wrong to have a go at the construction site workers, it's really the fault of the company. Which is fair enough I have contacted the council highways officer for the area and emailed them a complaint.

londonTiger

goonarmy wrote: »

It sounds like the op wants a custom traffic light timing system in place. Dangerous. Be patient and leave earlier.

Commuters at least for 4:20pm to 6pm, school run at least 3pm to 4pm. So just avoid driving from 3pm to 6pm to avoid getting stuck in traffic which could be resolved by putting adequate traffic control measures.

The construction firm is cutting corners here and unwilling to pay for staff, they need to be held to account.

Felt like driving in bloody India everyone blaring their horns and trying to ram their way through the bottleneck forcing all Eastbound cars in bottleneck to jump onto the pavement to give way. Dangerous.

goonarmy

londonTiger wrote: »

Commuters at least for 4:20pm to 6pm, school run at least 3pm to 4pm. So just avoid driving from 3pm to 6pm to avoid getting stuck in traffic which could be resolved by putting adequate traffic control measures.

The construction firm is cutting corners here and unwilling to pay for staff, they need to be held to account.

Felt like driving in bloody India everyone blaring their horns and trying to ram their way through the bottleneck forcing all Eastbound cars in bottleneck to jump onto the pavement to give way. Dangerous.

Staffing levels are irrelevant to an automated system. And as said i appears you wanted a monited set of lights with different intervals for traffic flow at any given time. Not entirely sure what you expected but leave any time in rush hour then traffic is going to be bad(statement of the bleedin obvious there)

londonTiger

no it's not a "rush hour" thing, you clearly haven't read the thread. It's the equivalent of having all 4 roads in a junction getting the green light and then all just driving forwards and blocking the road and then nobody being able to go anywhere.

because that's what effectively happened, situation could be easily avoided by manually operating the stop go lights.

an automated timer system (regardless of intervals) cannot smartly work out how many spaces are available on the other side to fit x number of vehicles. It needs a manual system controlled by humans, no other choice.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

londonTiger wrote: »

no it's not a "rush hour" thing, you clearly haven't read the thread. It's the equivalent of having all 4 roads in a junction getting the green light and then all just driving forwards and blocking the road and then nobody being able to go anywhere.

because that's what effectively happened, situation could be easily avoided by manually operating the stop go lights.

an automated timer system (regardless of intervals) cannot smartly work out how many spaces are available on the other side to fit x number of vehicles. It needs a manual system controlled by humans, no other choice.

you have no clue about temp traffic lights.

They can be operated manually, just like stop go. ever seen people just standing by them with the flap on the base up looking at you and on the mic chatting? he's operating them manually!.

londonTiger

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

you have no clue about temp traffic lights.

They can be operated manually, just like stop go. ever seen people just standing by them with the flap on the base up looking at you and on the mic chatting? he's operating them manually!.

Agreed, no clue. But you seemed to have made my point? They just left it on autopilot when they should have personall manning them at exceptionally busy times?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

londonTiger wrote: »

Agreed, no clue. But you seemed to have made my point? They just left it on autopilot when they should have personall manning them at exceptionally busy times?

you not grasping the scope.

1.pre planned works schedule carried out by the council and the company overtaking the work. an agree'd works plan is done. a safesystems of work pre inspection don't at the same tie that identifies what signs lights and guarding is to be used, the boy doing the job is required to have the relevant training so contractors are brought in if the don't. once this is drawn up and in place it cannot be altered other than by the highways department permission on reinspection when site works is being done.

2.they cannot touch the contractors equipment.

3.there is no law or legislation in place that says the lights must be manned they can be left unattended with a number for the contractor left with works supervisor.

4.if the pre planned safe systems of work schedule identifies there is a risk to workforce and public with the use of stop go, stop go cannot be used.

5. stop go cant be used in a 3 or 4 way configuration like junction lights except in exceptional temporary situations where there is a need.

6.the public are entitled to inform the highways enforcement officer that theres a safety issue with a pre planned works system they can order workers off site and even shut down unsafe roadworks.

its frustrating, I know, but there allot of factors in what goes into emergency and pre planned works.

reeac

yangptangkipperbang wrote: »

OP is obviously not an MP if he admits to using the "P" word.......:rotfl::rotfl:

No, no problem with using the "F" word but never, in these days of government by posh boys, use the "P" word.