Grangemouth dispute: Ineos says petrochemical plant will close

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

We're still waiting for you to name those "right wing dictators" that did the same as Pol Pot.:)



One: that would depend on whether or not you regarded Hitler as a "right-wing dictator". (Personally, I don't.)

Two: whilst the Nazis were indeed an evil scum-sucking bunch of bar stewards they did not 'do the same as Pol Pot'. They did not, as a matter of policy, set out to return Germany to the stone age, and turn an entire nation into one big forced labour camp.



Yes, well, I was going to mention it.:)

Is that communism then? it's just a matter of scale.

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

Is that communism then? it's just a matter of scale.

Who knows, we're all still waiting for you to name those "right wing dictators" that did the same as Pol Pot. It's clearly not that "easy".:)

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

Who knows, we're all still waiting for you to name those "right wing dictators" that did the same as Pol Pot. It's clearly not that "easy".:)

I'm not going to because as you don't accept Hitler there probably aren't any as bad but you have still missed the point using Pol Pot as Clapton did in the discussion in nonsense and there are plenty of right wing dictators that have killed thousands of there own people. Are you trying to defend Right Wing dictators because they didn't kill as many people as Pol Pot personally I think they are all as bad as each other.

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not going to because as you don't accept Hitler there probably aren't any as bad but you have still missed the point using Pol Pot as Clapton did in the discussion in nonsense and there are plenty of right wing dictators that have killed thousands of there own people.

I'm not missing your "point", I'm taking you to task for your ill-informed remark that "You can easily find right wing dictators doing the same as pol pot".

The Khmer Rouge took power in Cambodia and forced people to leave the cities (they shot those that refused) and move to the countryside and began killing anyone that didn't fit their model of the perfect communist citizen. They were trying to rebuild humanity from scratch. No one before or since has tried to do that.

The world is not full of a plurality of right wing dictators currently doing the same as Pol Pot. That;s why you can't name any.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not going to because as you don't accept Hitler there probably aren't any as bad but you have still missed the point using Pol Pot as Clapton did in the discussion in nonsense and there are plenty of right wing dictators that have killed thousands of there own people. Are you trying to defend Right Wing dictators because they didn't kill as many people as Pol Pot personally I think they are all as bad as each other.

The substantive issue, raised by you, broadly equated a coffee company paying minimum wage and legal taxes with the excesses of Communism.
You did indeed say there weren't quite there yet but clearly made that connection.

It is deeply offensive to the, literally, millions of people who died un-necessarially in regimes like USSR, China, North Korea and Pol Pot's Cambodia to make the connection.

Nobody has to buy their coffee, nobody has to work there; citizens of the communists states had no such choices.

Rather than simply say you were wrong, you further insulted the memory of those very unfortunate people, by drawing further parallel with 'right wing' regimes.

Your knowledge of history is as bad as your knowledge of economics and as bad as your sense of judgement.

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

I'm not missing your "point", I'm taking you to task for your ill-informed remark that "You can easily find right wing dictators doing the same as pol pot".

The Khmer Rouge took power in Cambodia and forced people to leave the cities (they shot those that refused) and move to the countryside and began killing anyone that didn't fit their model of the perfect communist citizen. They were trying to rebuild humanity from scratch. No one before or since has tried to do that.

The world is not full of a plurality of right wing dictators currently doing the same as Pol Pot. That;s why you can't name any.

Take me to task all you want as I was factually incorrect. You seem quite happy for Clapton to introduce Pol Pot into the argument and if you read his my post you will see I never compare Starbucks with extreme right wing dictators.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

The substantive issue, raised by you, broadly equated a coffee company paying minimum wage and legal taxes with the excesses of Communism.
You did indeed say there weren't quite there yet but clearly made that connection.

It is deeply offensive to the, literally, millions of people who died un-necessarially in regimes like USSR, China, North Korea and Pol Pot's Cambodia to make the connection.

Nobody has to buy their coffee, nobody has to work there; citizens of the communists states had no such choices.

Rather than simply say you were wrong, you further insulted the memory of those very unfortunate people, by drawing further parallel with 'right wing' regimes.

Your knowledge of history is as bad as your knowledge of economics and as bad as your sense of judgement.

As usual you are putting words into peoples mouths I didn't say quite and it is obvious I was just giving Starbucks as an example as what is wrong now.

I would suggest it is just as offensive of you to introduce Pol Pot into this argument.

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

Take me to task all you want as I was factually incorrect.

Fair enough, that's my point made.

ukcarper wrote: »

..You seem quite happy for Clapton to introduce Pol Pot into the argument and if you read his my post you will see I never compare Starbucks with extreme right wing dictators.

Let me think......

Yes, that would be about it. I don't really care about your argument with Clapton.:)

P.S. Can someone please explain how a thread about some petrochemical facility in Scotland came to be a debate about the nature of the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia?

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

Fair enough, that's my point made.



Let me think......

Yes, that would be about it. I don't really care about your argument with Clapton.:)

P.S. Can someone please explain how a thread about some petrochemical facility in Scotland came to be a debate about the nature of the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia?

Ask Clapton he introduced it.