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I don't recognise this example as 'exteme' type of capitalism or even anything near and even less would I compare it to the excesses of communist states.
What sort of salary would you think is reasonable for serving coffee?
By any world standard, the 'poor' in the UK are by and large, 'rich' beyond the dreams of many that don't have the benefits of living in a mixed economy.
Try reading my replies properly.
Being able to work a full week would be a good start.
So you think it's good for the country that companies do not pay their fair share of tax and pay a wage that means their employees have to rely on state hand outs to survive.
Of course we can just carry on with the race to the bottom.0 -
Try reading my replies properly.
Being able to work a full week would be a good start.
So you think it's good for the country that companies do not pay their fair share of tax and pay a wage that means their employees have to rely on state hand outs to survive.
Of course we can just carry on with the race to the bottom.
part of your reply saidNot sure it would be much worst than one controlled by multinationals whose only concern is profit at all costs to the extent of driving wages down to the lowest possible and avoiding as much tax as possible. Communism is no worst than the extreme type of capitalism we seem to be heading towards.
To compare the literally millions of un-necessary deaths by starvation in the USSR and communist China and the continuing death in North Korea and Pol Pot's Cambodia with legal payment of tax or paying 'only' the minimum wage by Starbucks is obscene.
I hope you are merely extremely ignorant.0 -
part of your reply said
To compare the literally millions of un-necessary deaths by starvation in the USSR and communist China and the continuing death in North Korea and Pol Pot's Cambodia with legal payment of tax or paying 'only' the minimum wage by Starbucks is obscene.
I hope you are merely extremely ignorant.
Totally ignoring the part where I said we are not there yet. You can easily find right wing dictators doing the same as pol pot.0 -
Totally ignoring the part where I said we are not there yet. You can easily find right wing dictators doing the same as pol pot.
If it's that 'easy' then you shouldn't have any trouble finding them and naming them then.:)
As far as I'm aware, no one has ever tried to emulate Pol Pot's cunning plan of resetting history to 'Year Zero', and turning an entire country into one big concentration camp in an effort to reshape humanity in accordance with a particular ideal.
Right-wing dictators usually content themselves with shotting their enemies and locking up some troublemakers, but otherwise it's business as usual. I don't believe there's a single one that's ever instituted a regime where ordinary people were killed simply for the crime of being educated.0 -
If it's that 'easy' then you shouldn't have any trouble finding them and naming them then.:)
As far as I'm aware, no one has ever tried to emulate Pol Pot's cunning plan of resetting history to 'Year Zero', and turning an entire country into one big concentration camp in an effort to reshape humanity in accordance with a particular ideal.
Right-wing dictators usually content themselves with shotting their enemies and locking up some troublemakers, but otherwise it's business as usual. I don't believe there's a single one that's ever instituted a regime where ordinary people were killed simply for the crime of being educated.
The point is that Clapton as usual points to some extreme to try and prove his argument It's was Pol Pot that did that and the fact that he was supposedly a communist had nothing to do with it.0 -
The point is that Clapton as usual points to some extreme to try and prove his argument It's was Pol Pot that did that and the fact that he was supposedly a communist had nothing to do with it.
No doubt it is less acceptable because they didn't get their arms from the west. Iraq and the Mujahadeen were fine when it suited the aims of the west."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »No doubt it is less acceptable because they didn't get their arms from the west. Iraq and the Mujahadeen were fine when it suited the aims of the west.
Indeed yes, countries only have 'interests' and not friends although you might reflect that the UK (Thatcher ) supported the Pol Pot regime against Vietnamese intrusion.
However, that's quite irrelevant to comparing a coffee shop to a set of murderous regimes albeit with the caveat that the coffee shop isn't yet quite as bad.0 -
The Nazis made a good fist of it murdering the (in the main) successful Jews and burning books. There you have made me do it, oh Godwin
Right-wing dictators usually content themselves with shotting their enemies and locking up some troublemakers, but otherwise it's business as usual. I don't believe there's a single one that's ever instituted a regime where ordinary people were killed simply for the crime of being educated.
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Indeed yes, countries only have 'interests' and not friends although you might reflect that the UK (Thatcher ) supported the Pol Pot regime against Vietnamese intrusion.
However, that's quite irrelevant to comparing a coffee shop to a set of murderous regimes albeit with the caveat that the coffee shop isn't yet quite as bad.
And if you read my post you can easily see I didn't0 -
The point is that Clapton as usual points to some extreme to try and prove his argument It's was Pol Pot that did that and the fact that he was supposedly a communist had nothing to do with it.
We're still waiting for you to name those "right wing dictators" that did the same as Pol Pot.:)The Nazis made a good fist of it murdering the (in the main) successful Jews and burning books.
One: that would depend on whether or not you regarded Hitler as a "right-wing dictator". (Personally, I don't.)
Two: whilst the Nazis were indeed an evil scum-sucking bunch of bar stewards they did not 'do the same as Pol Pot'. They did not, as a matter of policy, set out to return Germany to the stone age, and turn an entire nation into one big forced labour camp....There you have made me do it, oh Godwin
Yes, well, I was going to mention it.:)0
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