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CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

You might feel different if it was you losing your job with no chance of another.

My personal response to redundancy may well not take the greater good into account.

However, you are not seriously saying you regret the introduction of technology into farming and wish we all worked on the land?

CLAPTON

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Clearly you think that it was the right decision to move away from coal to natural gas. I wonder if you'll still have that view in 10 years time.

A major weakness of democracies is the short-termism of decisions. For something as long-term as securing energy supplies, perhaps politicians aren't the best placed to make these decisions. Nor should a country's life-blood be left to the tender mercies of private enterprise.

I've already said I regretted Thatcher's rush for North Sea Oils and gas.

The alternative however was imported cheaper coal and not home produced stuff.

We moved (and are still moving) away from coal because of the rediculous green nonsense beloved by labour and libdem (and until recently, Dave).


Surely you must praise Thatcher for leaving so much coal in the ground in the same way I blame her for pumping out our oil and gas

I fully note your anti democratic views and I'm sure would be comfortable in an UK ruled by Scargill.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

My personal response to redundancy may well not take the greater good into account.

However, you are not seriously saying you regret the introduction of technology into farming and wish we all worked on the land?

You love putting words into people mouths

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

I've already said I regretted Thatcher's rush for North Sea Oils and gas.

The alternative however was imported cheaper coal and not home produced stuff.

We moved (and are still moving) away from coal because of the rediculous green nonsense beloved by labour and libdem (and until recently, Dave).


Surely you must praise Thatcher for leaving so much coal in the ground in the same way I blame her for pumping out our oil and gas

I fully note your anti democratic views and I'm sure would be comfortable in an UK ruled by Scargill.

Not sure it would be much worst than one controlled by multinationals whose only concern is profit at all costs to the extent of driving wages down to the lowest possible and avoiding as much tax as possible. Communism is no worst than the extreme type of capitalism we seem to be heading towards.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

Not sure it would be much worst than one controlled by multinationals whose only concern is profit at all costs to the extent of driving wages down to the lowest possible and avoiding as much tax as possible. Communism is no worst than the extreme type of capitalism we seem to be heading towards.

I'll simply let your own words stand.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

I'll simply let your own words stand.

I didn't think you would agree but perhaps you could explain how ordinary people benefit from the later case.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

I didn't think you would agree but perhaps you could explain how ordinary people benefit from the later case.

Do you mean how people benefit from extreme types of capitalism?


Which companies do you consider are examples of extreme types of capitalism?

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

Do you mean how people benefit from extreme types of capitalism?


Which companies do you consider are examples of extreme types of capitalism?

We are not there yet but we are heading that way the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Companies like Star Bucks who seek to avoid tax and pay people minimum wage on part contracts and let the taxpayer pick up the bill do not benefit the people who work for them.

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

We are not there yet but we are heading that way the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Companies like Star Bucks who seek to avoid tax and pay people minimum wage on part contracts and let the taxpayer pick up the bill do not benefit the people who work for them.

I don't recognise this example as 'exteme' type of capitalism or even anything near and even less would I compare it to the excesses of communist states.

What sort of salary would you think is reasonable for serving coffee?

By any world standard, the 'poor' in the UK are by and large, 'rich' beyond the dreams of many that don't have the benefits of living in a mixed economy.

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