British Gas 23% gas price rise !! -corrected & increased

Bark01

peter999 wrote: »

The average % quoted has nothing to do with the customers then.

British Gas should also quote how much their last bill would have been & % increase so people really see the increase.

The scale of increase has been hidden with the 2 changes, changes to gas rates & change to Standing Charge.

It's a scandal.

The average increase quoted is based on actual MEDIAN consumption figures, so it is a best estimate for what the Median customer will use. The consumption figures are set out by OFGEM using data provided by DECC

Yes on an individual basis the % will be different but the press release can't go into this much detail. This is why all suppliers announcing price changes will contact all affected customers individualy stating their new and old prices 30 days before they come into affect.

What more do you want?

Perelandra

peter999 wrote: »

Can someone explain the discrepancy between 8.6% and 19.1 % ?

Can British Gas Company Representative explain the discrepancy ?
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Could you post the following information:
Old Tariff Name
Annual Gas consumption
Annual Elec consumption
Payment Type
Region

And I'll check the calculation?

23% increase would be extremely unusual, although it might happen if one of the following statements is true:

Your consumption is incredibly low (empty house/no fuel usage)
You were previously on a heavily discounted tariff
If you pay by DD, and were previously underpaying on your bill (your DD may have increased by 23%, although that's not quite the same thing)

For most customers, the price increase will be far closer to average- it's only the outliers (as per the above statements) where this isn't the case.


NB: I work for British Gas, but post in a private capacity. Any opinion is my own, and does not necessarily reflect that of my employer.

Nada666

OP, you may want to shop around - British Gas' new prices are 64% more expensive than the cheapest competiton for some filthy "outliers" (ym[STRIKE]m[/STRIKE]wv).

peter999

Perelandra wrote: »

Could you post the following information:
Old Tariff Name
Annual Gas consumption
Annual Elec consumption
Payment Type
Region

And I'll check the calculation?

23% increase would be extremely unusual, although it might happen if one of the following statements is true:

Your consumption is incredibly low (empty house/no fuel usage)
You were previously on a heavily discounted tariff
If you pay by DD, and were previously underpaying on your bill (your DD may have increased by 23%, although that's not quite the same thing)

For most customers, the price increase will be far closer to average- it's only the outliers (as per the above statements) where this isn't the case.


NB: I work for British Gas, but post in a private capacity. Any opinion is my own, and does not necessarily reflect that of my employer.

I've checked my last quarterly bill

Old rate
Standard Tariff
Cash Payment
Tier 1 Unit rate =8.175p/kWh (inc VAT)
Gas consumption =501.63kWh (all @ Tier 1 rate)
Period =94 days

Cost =£41.01 (inc VAT)


Recalculating this quarterly bill using new Nov 13 rates, I get:

New rate
Standard Tariff
Cash Payment
Standing Charge =26p/day
Unit rate =5.14p/kWh (inc VAT)
Period =94 days

Gas cost =501.63kWh x 5.14p/kWh = £25.78 (inc VAT)
Standing charge = 94 days x 26p/day = £24.44

Total cost = £50.22


Increase = (£50.22 - £41.01)

=£9.21 increase

% Increase = (£9.21/£41.01) x100

= 22.5% increase

Perelandra

Ok, so if your consumption is only 500 kWh for gas, then this would really put you in the "very low consumption" category from my list of possibilities. . If your annual consumption is 2000 kWh, this is far below the normal 13,000-16,000 range.

Do you have your annual figures as well? If that quarter was over summer, then it may not be representative of a full year.

peter999

Perelandra wrote: »

Ok, so if your consumption is only 500 kWh for gas, then this would really put you in the "very low consumption" category from my list of possibilities. . If your annual consumption is 2000 kWh, this is far below the normal 13,000-16,000 range.

Do you have your annual figures as well? If that quarter was over summer, then it may not be representative of a full year.

It's the last quarterly bill over Summer period covering June, July, August, so is a low consumption.

I'll find or calculate annual consumption.

Irratus_Rusticus

Perelandra wrote: »

23% increase would be extremely unusual, although it might happen if one of the following statements is true:

Your consumption is incredibly low (empty house/no fuel usage)
You were previously on a heavily discounted tariff
If you pay by DD, and were previously underpaying on your bill (your DD may have increased by 23%, although that's not quite the same thing)

For most customers, the price increase will be far closer to average- it's only the outliers (as per the above statements) where this isn't the case.


NB: I work for British Gas, but post in a private capacity. Any opinion is my own, and does not necessarily reflect that of my employer.

That makes me one well-miffed outlier then! My increase with BG would have been 25%. No, not because of an empty home, because I don't use gas. £95 a year added under the table by some policy change for a gas meter because it's there is a bit hard to take.

BG gave me no information. I had to run the figures myself to see the real increase was going to be over 25%.

But it seems from comments that I should accept I was being subsidised for having a gas meter but not using gas by those who use gas? What kind of consumer logic is that? Where's Martin Lewis on that one?

As for quoting increases based on an average, the companies must have real world figures available to provide with their press releases: How about quoting how many customers use LESS than the so-called average?

Poorer households turn their heating down for fear of the high bills. Quoting meaningless averages are a misdirection... shame the energy industry folk on this site gang up to pretend otherwise.

Publish how many of gas customers last year used under 5000 kwhs or 5000-10000 kWhs etc. Use smaller tranches for electricity usage given the smaller average quoted. THAT would be worth seeing... even transparent :j

Is it too hard to have a sliding scale discount off a standing charge if you DON'T use the quoted average for that fuel? Obviously not... think of the profit margin. How much is a 5% margin on zillions in turnover anyway?

Nada666

Irratus_Rusticus wrote: »

Is it too hard to have a sliding scale discount off a standing charge if you DON'T use the quoted average for that fuel? Obviously not... think of the profit margin. How much is a 5% margin on zillions in turnover anyway?

They used to have this - it was called the tier 1 rate. Unfortunately Ofgem has decided that we should have a massive shift to the right and ban this disgusting progressive breadcrumb. Low consumers used to make a reasonable enough contribution (through paying about double the tier 2 rate for their gas). Nearly everyone still paid the full whack on their electricity.

Large numbers of 'normal', average households also received the break two or three quarters per year on their gas.

The idea that service charges only come from the standing charge was never real - there has always been a mix.

DJC1690

peter999 wrote: »

So why do British Gas say "standard gas prices will rise by 8.6% for a typical British Gas customer", when it is more like 19% ??


I got letter from British Gas notifying me of price rise from 23 November 2013.

The letter also seems to suggest they will be changing to Daily Standard Charge instead of Tier 1/Tier 2 system.

I recalculated my last bill using new rates and found it would be 19.1% increase !! :mad:

Can someone explain the discrepancy between 8.6% and 19.1 % ?

Can British Gas Company Representative explain the discrepancy ?
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I really don't understand why you not happy regret of this Stand charge is applied to you dally? ! Coz all you lot is Uesd to NSC Plans when it's 1st come out and your thoughts in you wee mind y not get this plans coz its not got Stand Change means Save £££ on Standard Change but when of gem set a new rules out to all electronic and gas account Apply Standard Change your Not happy of it whatofever Glow up man's!.

gem1978_2

absolutely outrageous! British gas are thieves.