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SSE raises energy prices 8.2% just before winter....again.
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grizzly1911 wrote: »UK prices are no directly comparable due to taxation differences and where those taxes are collected and applied.
When you have undertaken most commercially acceptable improvements to your property unfortunately the cost of the base energy supply still increases by whatever rate is felt necessary.
Indeed taxation effects the cost but what the graphs do show is the UK is NOT being ripped off we are in the same boat as the rest of the EU.
We need to improve existing housing stock, frack & build the new generation of nuclear power stations.
As the era of cheap fuel is over.0 -
Existing GB storage facilities Facility
http://infrastructure.planningportal.gov.uk/wp-content/ipc/uploads/projects/EN030001/3.%20Post%20Decision%20Information/Decision/130409_EN030001_Chris_Le_Fevre_Report.pdf
Rough,Centrica, Offshore,Easington
Hatfield Moor, Scottish Power, Yorkshire
Humbly Grove, Star Energy, Hampshire
Hole House, EDF Trading, Salt Cavity, Cheshire
Hornsea, SSE, Salt Cavity,Yorkshire
Aldbrough, SSE/Statoil, Salt Cavity,Yorkshire
Holford/Byley, E.On, Salt Cavity, Cheshire
LNG Storage,National Grid, Avonmouth
I thought there was some capacity in Lincolnshire too.
Interestingly whilst security of supply is a consideration there is also a safety issue if pressure in the network can't be maintained according to NG too.
Spreadsheet from this site 19/10 would suggest these are in use.
http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/gas/data/storage/
"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
sheffield_lad wrote: »
As the era of cheap fuel is over.
I don't disagree but we have a circular argument going on between the energy companies and governments.
The fact that for many they simply can't keep pace with the increases, even though they have improved their property and taken measures to reduce consumption.
There should be more honesty, from governments and suppliers that energy costs are simply going to become unaffordable for many and accept the consequences."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
With enough insulation and quality glazing, there is no need for heating at all. This type of house fitted with solar panels would be a net exporter of energy and actually earn money. Price rises in this case would then be welcomed because the house would earn more.
why doesn't the government fund this and close down the energy companies?0 -
why doesn't the government fund this and close down the energy companies?
Too expensive. As I said, this should have been done in the 80s when we had Oil revenues, in preparation for the time when we didn't.
Even now it's not too late. The way to do it is to introduce more stringent building codes so that new properties are so efficient that it pays to buy a new one instead of an old inefficient one. Just as we are finding now with cars. Owners of older houses would then have to compete by implementing energy efficiencies into their homes in order to sell them.
The government has introduced the Green Deal, which allows people to upgrade their homes with a loan attached to their house, where the monthly repayments are taken with their utility bills. The golden rule is that improvements have to reduce the monthly utility bill payments by as much (preferably more) as the monthly finance payments. Essentially your bills remain the same, but you have a warmer, more comfortable house and when energy bills go up again, your bills (even including the green deal finance) won't go up as much, so you're quids in. There hasn't been huge takeup because people currently prefer to moan about high energy costs and not do anything about it.
I've just finished one room in our house with 100mm internal wall insulation, 100mm rockwool in the ceiling void, 100mm insulation in the floor void. Even without having the windows replaced yet (they are really bad), no plaster on the walls and no heating in there, it's really cosy.
People seem to dislike doing work on their houses that cannot be seen. Hopefully with higher utility bills, this attitude will change.0 -
Too expensive. As I said, this should have been done in the 80s when we had Oil revenues, in preparation for the time when we didn't.
Even now it's not too late. The way to do it is to introduce more stringent building codes so that new properties are so efficient that it pays to buy a new one instead of an old inefficient one. Just as we are finding now with cars. Owners of older houses would then have to compete by implementing energy efficiencies into their homes in order to sell them.
The government has introduced the Green Deal, which allows people to upgrade their homes with a loan attached to their house, where the monthly repayments are taken with their utility bills. The golden rule is that improvements have to reduce the monthly utility bill payments by as much (preferably more) as the monthly finance payments. Essentially your bills remain the same, but you have a warmer, more comfortable house and when energy bills go up again, your bills (even including the green deal finance) won't go up as much, so you're quids in. There hasn't been huge takeup because people currently prefer to moan about high energy costs and not do anything about it.
I've just finished one room in our house with 100mm internal wall insulation, 100mm rockwool in the ceiling void, 100mm insulation in the floor void. Even without having the windows replaced yet (they are really bad), no plaster on the walls and no heating in there, it's really cosy.
People seem to dislike doing work on their houses that cannot be seen. Hopefully with higher utility bills, this attitude will change.
how much did you spend?
how much do you think you will save?0 -
Too expensive. As I said, this should have been done in the 80s when we had Oil revenues, in preparation for the time when we didn't.
Even now it's not too late. The way to do it is to introduce more stringent building codes so that new properties are so efficient that it pays to buy a new one instead of an old inefficient one. Just as we are finding now with cars. Owners of older houses would then have to compete by implementing energy efficiencies into their homes in order to sell them.
The government has introduced the Green Deal, which allows people to upgrade their homes with a loan attached to their house, where the monthly repayments are taken with their utility bills. The golden rule is that improvements have to reduce the monthly utility bill payments by as much (preferably more) as the monthly finance payments. Essentially your bills remain the same, but you have a warmer, more comfortable house and when energy bills go up again, your bills (even including the green deal finance) won't go up as much, so you're quids in. There hasn't been huge takeup because people currently prefer to moan about high energy costs and not do anything about it.
I've just finished one room in our house with 100mm internal wall insulation, 100mm rockwool in the ceiling void, 100mm insulation in the floor void. Even without having the windows replaced yet (they are really bad), no plaster on the walls and no heating in there, it's really cosy.
People seem to dislike doing work on their houses that cannot be seen. Hopefully with higher utility bills, this attitude will change.
The green deal is a poor system and the cost of using approved installers makes it expensive. it is encumbering your property.
For those that can't afford to do it themselves the ECO deal seems much better.
The recommendations in many EPCs I have looked at recently simply don't wash their face.
I don't dispute that installing large amounts of insulation is a good idea if you are refurbishing, rebuilding, new building. As simple retro fits there is a limit to what can be achieved.The cost of really making new builds truly efficient would make them unaffordable to most.
People don't just buy property because it is thermally efficient as you have said before many other factors come into play. how long would it take to recycle all the older properties for new builds. We simply don't have the capacity even if we wanted too."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
how much did you spend?
how much do you think you will save?
Insulation is really cheap because it's subsidized by the government and energy companies. In our last house we had cavity wall insulation fitted that cost us £200, this was for a family sized detached house. We also qualified to have our loft insulated for free, but the existing rockwool was already meeting the building regs.
The only addition it needed was to have insulation blown into the floor/ceiling cavity, but we moved before I could sort that out. Our bills were next to nothing in that house, hence my determination to insulate the our new home.
What is good is that the government has now tied solar PV feed in tariff payments to the energy efficiency of houses. Much better to do everything you can to conserve energy before you worry about generating it.0 -
What do we folks in rental do? We have single glazed windows and single brick extension where our bathroom is. I can't force our LL to invest in insulation and double glazing, can I?
I am switching suppliers constantly, at least yearly, currently on Ebico but they are getting expensive as well now. I have bought a triple A star fridge freezer and low energy light bulbs, we switch off all lights when not in the room, we unplug chargers and switch off appliances when not using them, the heating is only on when needed but it is needed more often because the heat escapes. Still the price hikes follow me around because there is clearly a cartel like behaviour from the energy companies?0 -
donfanatico wrote: »What do we folks in rental do? We have single glazed windows and single brick extension where our bathroom is. I can't force our LL to invest in insulation and double glazing, can I?
I am switching suppliers constantly, at least yearly, currently on Ebico but they are getting expensive as well now. I have bought a triple A star fridge freezer and low energy light bulbs, we switch off all lights when not in the room, we unplug chargers and switch off appliances when not using them, the heating is only on when needed but it is needed more often because the heat escapes. Still the price hikes follow me around because there is clearly a cartel like behaviour from the energy companies?
maybe cartel like but
the cost of 'raw' materials are large determined by the international market place
the cost of distribution (national grid) is determined by the regulator
the cost/tax of useless 'green' energy and other similar is set by the government
VAT is set by the government
internal costs and profit are indeed independent0
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