CSA Help Please!!!!

Crellow4

I've already mentioned the phasing.......at least £10 in the first year, with further reductions over the following 4 years.

Csa_Survivor

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Additionally, if you're claiming anything, like tax credits, you would have to end the claims or submit fraudulent claims to them too, as the fact you were still claiming jointly would raise a red flag. The CSA have access to credit reference data and details from HMRC and other government departments to cross check data.

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Yeah, all this technology but they cannot automatically tell if Child Benefit, therefore Child Support liability has ended, so thousands if not millions end up paying longer than they have to, then chasing their money back, assuming that the NRP actually notices and can be bothered to!
Funny that isn't it???????????

HoneyNutLoop

I'm not sure what the relevance is to the ops question about collusively separating.

Are you implying it's ok for them to commit fraud because the CSA don't automatically get updated with child benefit? That committing fraud somehow redresses the balance? That two wrongs do in fact make a right?

The fact is, as mentioned in another post, if child benefit is found to have ended earlier your case should be closed retrospectively and you should receive a refund, provided you were paying and up to date, and not in arrears. Equally, if it is found out, after some time has passed, that the op and her husband did collusively separate her husband's original case will be corrected and he will owe arrears.

Could their systems be better? Of course they could. Not just for child benefit but for other things like earnings updates. And Prelude has confirmed things in both areas have been improved for the latest scheme. But nothing makes committing fraud ok.

Csa_Survivor

HoneyNutLoop wrote: »

I'm not sure what the relevance is to the ops question about collusively separating.

Are you implying it's ok for them to commit fraud because the CSA don't automatically get updated with child benefit? That committing fraud somehow redresses the balance? That two wrongs do in fact make a right?

The fact is, as mentioned in another post, if child benefit is found to have ended earlier your case should be closed retrospectively and you should receive a refund, provided you were paying and up to date, and not in arrears. Equally, if it is found out, after some time has passed, that the op and her husband did collusively separate her husband's original case will be corrected and he will owe arrears.

Could their systems be better? Of course they could. Not just for child benefit but for other things like earnings updates. And Prelude has confirmed things in both areas have been improved for the latest scheme. But nothing makes committing fraud ok.

Fair comment HoneyNutLoop, my post has little to do with glasgowgirl1 post. I read it a few minutes before I had to go out and it annoyed me that much I could not resist commenting, so apologies to glasgowgirl1 for hijacking the post, but I made a valid point regardless!. The CSA can look into this, that and the other, but as far as everyone on CSA1 ( don't know about the new scheme) are concerned there are not even proper systems in place to end the cases correctly and on time without loads of hassle for both the NRP and PWC, that is the point I was trying to make, although hands up, I admit it was not relevant to the actual post so sorry for that.
As for commenting on the post itself I think its obvious glasgowgirl1 and her partner are scared of being on their knees with all this, and what a surprise, CSA1 yet again rears its head. I would not encourage fraud obviously but I think its a bit rich getting high and mighty about bending the rules a bit when the CSA would and should be done for some kind of Corporate Manslaughter charge for its end results over the years, and I doubt many will disagree with that!

glasgowgirl1

CSA survivor I agree with you. My husband nor I have ever claimed a benefit in our life and both work full time, highly demanding jobs yet we and our family is continually punished by a system that the same person next door could have been moved from onto CSA2 by luck of the draw. My husband fought for years to see his son and his ex disregarded every court order and faced no consequence for having done so. She has gone on to have another child and lives with a partner, works more hours than she has declared and has already been caught committing benefit fraud. So why should we keep playing nicely?????? I believe that by merely opening a case it pulls her onto the new system for the purpose of re-assessment.

What is phasing??

glasgowgirl1

CSA survivor I agree with you. My husband nor I have ever claimed a benefit in our life and both work full time, highly demanding jobs yet we and our family is continually punished by a system that the same person next door could have been moved from onto CSA2 by luck of the draw. My husband fought for years to see his son and his ex disregarded every court order and faced no consequence for having done so. She has gone on to have another child and lives with a partner, works more hours than she has declared and has already been caught committing benefit fraud. So why should we keep playing nicely?????? I believe that by merely opening a case it pulls her onto the new system for the purpose of re-assessment.

What is phasing??

Crellow4

Phasing is the process by which your husbands liability under 'old rules' is reduced to his 'new ruse' liability. His payments would reduce by £10 per week for up to 5 years. For example, if his liability is currently £80 and his liability under CS2 is £30 his payments would be £70 year 1, £60 year 2 etc etc

Csa_Survivor

glasgowgirl1 wrote: »

CSA survivor I agree with you. My husband nor I have ever claimed a benefit in our life and both work full time, highly demanding jobs yet we and our family is continually punished by a system that the same person next door could have been moved from onto CSA2 by luck of the draw. My husband fought for years to see his son and his ex disregarded every court order and faced no consequence for having done so. She has gone on to have another child and lives with a partner, works more hours than she has declared and has already been caught committing benefit fraud. So why should we keep playing nicely?????? I believe that by merely opening a case it pulls her onto the new system for the purpose of re-assessment.

What is phasing??

I would guess that most victims of the CSA will also agree with my comments glasgowgirl1. I will even suggest that so do some of the staff who work for the CSA that have to listen to the utter despair in peoples voices day after day after day!, that cannot be good for the soul of anyone.
The problem is they are obviously all brainwashed into thinking they are actually doing some good for children from separated parents, you can just see the training videos now cant you of the single parent, nicely groomed with pure white teeth being able to afford that extra little treat for Johny in the pushchair next to them!
All very cosy eh!, bet they don't show the NRP on the brink of bankruptcy having to pay for access to see their own kids for an order not worth the paper it is written on! I bet they don't show the PWC ringing up again and again and again trying to actually receive the help they need, need I go on? I bet they don't show the rope being thrown over the branch, or the hosepipe coming out of the exhaust pipe.............
I know, I know that talking like this may offend some people, especially those working within the CSA, but I do genuinely believe that in years to come when there are not the obvious reporting restrictions that there are nowadays related to CSA victims deaths, there will be some serious questions asked about how this agency was ever allowed to exist with the rigidly enforced stupidity that it does. Anyone who works there will have their own consciences to deal with, even though they will only have been doing what they were told in their younger working life!

jarhead66

Well written CSA survivor!! true their are a few people on here who bury there heads in the sand when the words suicide and CSA are used in the same sentence, some on here actually think that no one has ever taken their lives because of the CSA,
Yes I agree with you about the training video's, I have been told in the past by staff from the CSA that my CSA payments are more important than buying food or my mortgage payments. It was as though the N.R.P's are a bunch of winging scum or as David Cameron called us dead beat runaway Dad's!!
You do get the impression that the CSA believe that the poor P.W.C. is staying in a freezing cold damp house with her pinny on doing home cooking trying to make ends meet, buying the kids second hand toys!!
anyhow !!!!

JJWSJS8700

jarhead66 wrote: »

Well written CSA survivor!! true their are a few people on here who bury there heads in the sand when the words suicide and CSA are used in the same sentence, some on here actually think that no one has ever taken their lives because of the CSA,
Yes I agree with you about the training video's, I have been told in the past by staff from the CSA that my CSA payments are more important than buying food or my mortgage payments. It was as though the N.R.P's are a bunch of winging scum or as David Cameron called us dead beat runaway Dad's!!
You do get the impression that the CSA believe that the poor P.W.C. is staying in a freezing cold damp house with her pinny on doing home cooking trying to make ends meet, buying the kids second hand toys!!
anyhow !!!!

David Cameron, in his Fathers' day speech was only referring to 'deadbeat runaway Dads' to the ones that are.....so it's up to each and NRP to decide - if the cap fits, let them wear it!